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To TEST or Not to Test...
by Kurt Wendt 30 Oct '25

30 Oct '25

...that is the Dilemma! And, yes - this is related to FoxPro - in regards to our current system conversion project of porting it to C#. I just asked my IT guy here at work (who sits on the desk opposite mine) - what he knew about doing software testing. From what he has heard, in regards to doing Automated type testing - that's mainly for Web/Browser based apps. Since, he figures - it's not so easy to do testing automation of Desktop Apps. So, I wanted to throw this out to the Hive Mind here. Is there actually tools that allow one to do automated testing for Desktop apps? And, if so - is any of that a kind of open-source thing? Cause - I really don't think the co. where I work would actually pay for testing automation tools. Anyway - that's it for now... L8r G8rs, -K

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Virtual Fox Fest 2025 (Oct): Last Call!
by Rick Schummer 23 Oct '25

23 Oct '25

Virtual Fox Fest 2025 (October) is on October 29th and 30th, 2025. If you plan to attend the conference, please register today. It only takes a couple of minutes, and we only get busier the closer we get to the conference: https://geekgatherings.com/Registration Rick White Light Computing, Inc.

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[NF] Quality In Software
by Paul H. Tarver 10 Oct '25

10 Oct '25

As someone who has been studying how to elevate and treat my own programming as a craft instead of as a job for the past 25 years, I saw this article by Denis Stetskov and everyone here might enjoy reading it too. Disclaimer: this article is NOT against using AI in programming but rather it is focused crappy software engineering and quality control. The cliché we learned as newbie programmers Garbage In, Garbage Out still applies, but even more so when AI is included in the mix. https://techtrenches.substack.com/p/the-great-software-quality-collapse I thought it was an interesting article and one this group might enjoy discussing especially since its been quite in here for a while! J PS: See you all at Virtual FoxFest later this month! Paul H. Tarver Tarver Program Consultants, Inc. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ---

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ProFox List Statistics for September 2025
by List Administrator Account 01 Oct '25

01 Oct '25

================================================== ProFox List Statistics September 2025 ================================================== Subscriber Count at End of Month: ProFox: 308 ProFoxTech: 182 ================================================== Total Posts: 13 (Up 62.5% from August 2025) Total [OT] Posts: 0 (Unchanged from August 2025) Total [NF] Posts: 7 (Up 100.0% from August 2025) Daily Message Counts for September 2025 ------------------------------------------------ DOW Date Count --- ---- ----- M 1 - 3 T 2 - 6 W 3 - 1 T 4 - 1 T 11 - 1 M 29 - 1 Message Counts By Day of Week for September 2025 ------------------------------------------------ DOW Count --- ----- Mon - 4 Tue - 6 Wed - 1 Thu - 2 Distinct Posters to the List (changes relative to August 2025) ------------------------------------------------ Non-OT messages: 10 (Up 66.67%) OT messages: 0 (Unchanged) NF messages: 5 (Up 100.0%) Total number: 10 (Up 66.67%) Top 10 Contributors by Number of Non-OT Posts ------------------------------------------------ | Posts Contributor | ------------------------------------------------ 1. 2 Alan Bourke 2. 2 Kurt Wendt 3. 2 Rick Schummer 4. 1 Ted Roche 5. 1 John Weller 6. 1 Ed Leafe 7. 1 <juergen(a)wondzinski.de> 8. 1 Eric Selje 9. 1 Stephen Russell 10. 1 List Administrator Account Top 0 Contributors by Number of OT Posts ------------------------------------------------ | Posts OT% Contributor | ------------------------------------------------ Top 5 Contributors by Number of NF Posts ------------------------------------------------ | Posts Contributor | ------------------------------------------------ 1. 2 Kurt Wendt 2. 2 Alan Bourke 3. 1 Eric Selje 4. 1 <juergen(a)wondzinski.de> 5. 1 Ed Leafe Top 10 Contributors by Total Number of Posts ------------------------------------------------ | Posts Contributor | ------------------------------------------------ 1. 2 Alan Bourke 2. 2 Kurt Wendt 3. 2 Rick Schummer 4. 1 Ted Roche 5. 1 John Weller 6. 1 Ed Leafe 7. 1 <juergen(a)wondzinski.de> 8. 1 Eric Selje 9. 1 Stephen Russell 10. 1 List Administrator Account Top 4 Contributors by Number of New Threads Started ------------------------------------------------ | Posts Contributor | ------------------------------------------------ 1. 2 Rick Schummer 2. 1 Ed Leafe 3. 1 Stephen Russell 4. 1 List Administrator Account Top 7 Non-OT Threads by Total Number of Posts ------------------------------------------------------------------ | Posts Subject | ------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. 6 [NF] Python: the Documentary 2. 2 NF to be taken off line ASAP 3. 1 *****SPAM***** NF to be taken off line ASAP 4. 1 AW: [NF] Python: the Documentary 5. 1 Virtual Fox Fest 2025 (Oct): We've Got Sessions 6. 1 ProFox List Statistics for August 2025 7. 1 Virtual Fox Fest 2025 (Oct): Register today, save $40 Top 0 OT Threads by Total Number of Posts ------------------------------------------------------------------ | Posts Subject | ------------------------------------------------------------------ Top 7 Threads by Total Number of Posts ------------------------------------------------------------------ | Posts Subject | ------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. 6 [NF] Python: the Documentary 2. 2 NF to be taken off line ASAP 3. 1 *****SPAM***** NF to be taken off line ASAP 4. 1 AW: [NF] Python: the Documentary 5. 1 Virtual Fox Fest 2025 (Oct): We've Got Sessions 6. 1 ProFox List Statistics for August 2025 7. 1 Virtual Fox Fest 2025 (Oct): Register today, save $40

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Virtual Fox Fest 2025 (Oct): Register today, save $40
by Rick Schummer 29 Sep '25

29 Sep '25

Virtual Fox Fest 2025 (October) is on Wednesday, October 29 and Thursday October 30, 2025. This Tuesday (September 30th) is the last day you can save US$40, so please go register now. If you wait until Wednesday, the price goes up to US$279. https://geekgatherings.com/registration Only 30 days until we gather on the Internet! Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com 586.254.2530 - office

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Virtual Fox Fest 2025 (Oct): We've Got Sessions
by Rick Schummer 11 Sep '25

11 Sep '25

You probably know that Virtual Fox Fest 2025 (Oct) is October 29-30, 2025, but maybe you haven't had a chance to take a look at our great set of sessions (https://virtualfoxfest.com/sessions.aspx) * Introducing SideKick (Tore Bleken) * The VFP Developer's Guide to Git and Sourcetree (Rick Borup) * It's time to RESTful with XSharp (Fabrice Foray) * Lessons in buffering and transactions (Tamar E. Granor) * Document and Email Management in VFP Applications (Doug Hennig) * SQL Server Mash-Up (Jody L. Meyer) * J, J, J. SON, SON, SON. - Using SQL Server's Killer Built-in JSON Functionality (Kevin Ragsdale) * VFP C++ Compiler: options and settings for modern, secure applications (John Ryan) * Using Google Calendar in VFP (Tuvia Vinitsky) * Git Advanced Techniques (Christof Wollenhaupt) Registration is US$239 before October 1st, so save yourself US$40 by registering today. This cost includes admission to all live sessions, all session materials (white papers and samples), immediate access to all recorded videos of the presentations, and access to online social events. Register here: https://geekgatherings.com/Registration. The Geek Gatherings YouTube Channel (https://www.youtube.com/@geekgatherings) has more than 70 videos with session content from Virtual Fox Fest and Southwest Fox conferences over the last five years. That is nearly 90 hours of viewing. Those who subscribe to the channel may already know this, but we recently released all the Virtual Fox Fest 2025 (May) videos for your viewing pleasure. Rick White Light Computing, Inc.

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[NF] Python: the Documentary
by Ed Leafe 04 Sep '25

04 Sep '25

While I know that most of you aren't Pythonistas, you might still get a kick from this. The story of how one man created a programming language over Christmas vacation, and changed the world of tech. It covers much of the growth of the language, and how it came to dominate one field after another. It was also fun for me, as I've gotten to hang out with many of the people in that video over the years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfH4QL4VqJ0 One fun fact: Paul McNett and I attended our first PyCons in 2004, and didn't know anyone else. At lunch we sat at a table, and within a minute two people joined us. One was a guy who had given a talk that morning, and the other was none other than Guido van Rossum! For you Fox-only people, it would be like going to Devcon and having Dr. Dave join you for lunch! -- Ed Leafe

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NF to be taken off line ASAP
by Stephen Russell 02 Sep '25

02 Sep '25

Cruise to the Eastern Mediterranean, and I am looking for ideas on what to do in Istanbul. Only have daylight hours. TIA -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ---

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ProFox List Statistics for August 2025
by List Administrator Account 01 Sep '25

01 Sep '25

================================================== ProFox List Statistics August 2025 ================================================== Subscriber Count at End of Month: ProFox: 308 ProFoxTech: 182 ================================================== Total Posts: 8 (Down 90.91% from July 2025) Total [OT] Posts: 0 (Unchanged from July 2025) Total [NF] Posts: 0 (Down 100.0% from July 2025) Daily Message Counts for August 2025 ------------------------------------------------ DOW Date Count --- ---- ----- F 1 - 1 M 4 - 1 F 8 - 5 W 13 - 1 Message Counts By Day of Week for August 2025 ------------------------------------------------ DOW Count --- ----- Mon - 1 Wed - 1 Fri - 6 Distinct Posters to the List (changes relative to July 2025) ------------------------------------------------ Non-OT messages: 6 (Down 76.0%) OT messages: 0 (Unchanged) NF messages: 0 (Down 100.0%) Total number: 6 (Down 76.0%) Top 6 Contributors by Number of Non-OT Posts ------------------------------------------------ | Posts Contributor | ------------------------------------------------ 1. 2 Philip Borkholder 2. 2 Garrett Fitzgerald 3. 1 Ed Leafe 4. 1 List Administrator Account 5. 1 Rick Schummer 6. 1 Bill Anderson Top 0 Contributors by Number of OT Posts ------------------------------------------------ | Posts OT% Contributor | ------------------------------------------------ Top 0 Contributors by Number of NF Posts ------------------------------------------------ | Posts Contributor | ------------------------------------------------ Top 6 Contributors by Total Number of Posts ------------------------------------------------ | Posts Contributor | ------------------------------------------------ 1. 2 Philip Borkholder 2. 2 Garrett Fitzgerald 3. 1 Ed Leafe 4. 1 List Administrator Account 5. 1 Rick Schummer 6. 1 Bill Anderson Top 4 Contributors by Number of New Threads Started ------------------------------------------------ | Posts Contributor | ------------------------------------------------ 1. 2 Philip Borkholder 2. 1 List Administrator Account 3. 1 Rick Schummer 4. 1 Bill Anderson Top 4 Non-OT Threads by Total Number of Posts ------------------------------------------------------------------ | Posts Subject | ------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. 5 Not receiving list emails since end of July 2. 1 ProFox List Statistics for July 2025 3. 1 ChilkatVFP 1.51 Released 4. 1 Virtual Fox Fest 2025 (Oct): Speakers, Sessions, and Registration Top 0 OT Threads by Total Number of Posts ------------------------------------------------------------------ | Posts Subject | ------------------------------------------------------------------ Top 4 Threads by Total Number of Posts ------------------------------------------------------------------ | Posts Subject | ------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. 5 Not receiving list emails since end of July 2. 1 ProFox List Statistics for July 2025 3. 1 ChilkatVFP 1.51 Released 4. 1 Virtual Fox Fest 2025 (Oct): Speakers, Sessions, and Registration

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Virtual Fox Fest 2025 (Oct): Speakers, Sessions, and Registration
by Rick Schummer 13 Aug '25

13 Aug '25

Virtual Fox Fest 2025 (October) is a two-day event on October 29-30, 2025. We have some great speakers (https://virtualfoxfest.com/speakers.aspx) delivering great sessions (https://virtualfoxfest.com/sessions.aspx) live chatting during presentations, and getting to hang out virtually with new and old friends. More details here: https://virtualfoxfest.com/ Registration is open! Details, deadlines and cost are available on our Web site. You register for the conference here: https://geekgatherings.com/Registration. Don't procrastinate, get this done today! Rick Schummer White Light Computing, Inc.

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