Thanks Ken. I own a bunch of Hentzenwerke books and I too found them invaluable, but I read them as an experienced Foxpro programmer not a novice, so I use them more as reference material and for examples than anything else. In fact, on a recent project, I used a little book titled "Using SQLite to Bypass The 2 GB .DBF Filesize Limit" book by Whil Hentzen and edited by our very own Ted Roche to create a unique solution for a client I actually installed this morning (Thanks for the helpful hints Ted!).
I too was self-taught starting with TRS-80 Basic, moving to GWBasic, Dbase II, FoxBase, Foxpro for Dos, VFP 6.0 and finally VFP 9.0. I'm able to read and understand C++, C#, Python and several other general purpose languages.
I get that anyone can sit down with a manual or videos and learn how to write a "Hello, World!" program, but what I can't figure out is how to teach someone how to figure out a solution where no solution currently exists, or more likely, how to take a solution/example and re-purpose it to solve a different need.
Anyway, sounds like we have similar backgrounds, and I'm glad to get to know you through this forum!
Paul
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ken Dibble Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 9:49 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Foxpro/Programming Training Question
In my opinion there are two issues: 1) Basic Programming Skills and 2) VFP specific skills, and I'm interested in your suggestions in how to meet both of those needs. Plus if there are other issues, let me know that
as well.
I'm completely self-taught (and sometimes it shows). I don't have much to offer on basic programming skills. I played around with Basic in my youth briefly, and I got some formal instruction in C++ later in life but never used it to produce anything more than training exercises. I've briefly tinkered with Python--enough to convince myself that I could learn it if I had to, though I've never had to.
But for VFP, I first taught myself dbXL using the examples in the manual, and when I had to move from DOS into Windows I taught myself VFP.
The Hentzenwerke books were invaluable to me; I'm sure I never would have developed any real-world-usable skills without them. Especially:
Hacker's Guide to Visual Foxpro 6.0 (THANKS TED!!!) The Fundamentals by Whil Hentzen Effective Techniques for Application Development with Visual Foxpro (Booth & Sawyer: RIP Ms. Booth)
To a lesser extent:
Advanced Object Oriented Programming with Visual Foxpro 6.0 - Marcus Egger Debugging Visual Foxpro Applications (Nancy Folsom; whatever happened to her?) Visual Foxpro Report Writer - Cathy Pountney
Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org
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I think learning to program is like learning to drive. You learn the basics on a specific vehicle then learn to transfer those skills to another vehicle but the basics of starting, stopping and steering are the same.
John Weller 01380 723235 079763 93631 Sent from my iPad
+1
So learn on something easy and straight forward.... AKA VFP
Dave
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If I were going to learn a language to speak and read I would not learn Latin as the root of so many other modern languages today.
For programming today I would focus on what people want to pay for, and that appears to be javascript.
Purely an opinion ground in how to work with cloud-based systems. Something that so many people are looking for today.
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:21 AM, Dave Crozier DaveC@flexipol.co.uk wrote:
+1
So learn on something easy and straight forward.... AKA VFP
Dave
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I think learning to program is like learning to drive. You learn the basics on a specific vehicle then learn to transfer those skills to another vehicle but the basics of starting, stopping and steering are the same.
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Stephen, Yep, I did Latin for 4 years and can honestly say it was the worst thing at the time but has helped me more with both English, Italian and French than any lessons could do.
As for Javascript .... I agree that is not the best language in the world to use but it is the flavour of the day and as you say .... that is what the customer will pay for.
Dave
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If I were going to learn a language to speak and read I would not learn Latin as the root of so many other modern languages today.
For programming today I would focus on what people want to pay for, and that appears to be javascript.
Purely an opinion ground in how to work with cloud-based systems. Something that so many people are looking for today.
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:21 AM, Dave Crozier DaveC@flexipol.co.uk wrote:
+1
So learn on something easy and straight forward.... AKA VFP
Dave
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I think learning to program is like learning to drive. You learn the basics on a specific vehicle then learn to transfer those skills to another vehicle but the basics of starting, stopping and steering are the same.
John Weller 01380 723235 079763 93631 Sent from my iPad
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Stephen, Yep, I did Latin for 4 years and can honestly say it was the worst thing at the time but has helped me more with both English, Italian and French than any lessons could do.
As for Javascript .... I agree that is not the best language in the world to use but it is the flavour of the day and as you say .... that is what the customer will pay for.
Dave
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If I were going to learn a language to speak and read I would not learn Latin as the root of so many other modern languages today.
For programming today I would focus on what people want to pay for, and that appears to be javascript.
Purely an opinion ground in how to work with cloud-based systems. Something that so many people are looking for today.
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:21 AM, Dave Crozier DaveC@flexipol.co.uk wrote:
+1
So learn on something easy and straight forward.... AKA VFP
Dave
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I think learning to program is like learning to drive. You learn the basics on a specific vehicle then learn to transfer those skills to another vehicle but the basics of starting, stopping and steering are
the same.
John Weller 01380 723235 079763 93631 Sent from my iPad
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