Just wanted to throw this out and see if anyone is running into something similar.
I have been wanting to find a new AV tool for my system and have been testing BitDefender for the last few weeks. I started with the free version and upgraded to the paid version after I realized the free version didn't let me exclude processes or files or folders.
However, since I've upgraded, I found that there is apparently something BitDefender doesn't like about some of the stuff Foxpro does during compilation (it crashes before completion and throws an error about unable to write to the path). Alternatively, when I run my modified GENDBC.prg to create a dbcbuilder file used by my applications, not only does it crash it trashes the DBC file being processed.
I've tried excluding VFP6 and VFP9 processes and I've tried excluding files to no avail. The only solution is to go into BitDefender and turn it off for 15 minutes or so and then I can complete the GENDBC or compilation process without any problems.
So here's my questions:
1) Is there something I need to do different with BitDefender to make be more friendly to VFP?
2) Should I just dump Bitdefender and go with a different AV tool? If so, what's the recommended tool.
Thanks!
Paul H. Tarver mailto:paul@tpcqpc.com paul@tpcqpc.com
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Avast Free version has always worked for us here. You can turn bits on and off and the standard installation like most others asks you if you want to install 14 day trials etc but just dismiss them all. Only requirement is to register once every 12 months.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul H. Tarver Sent: 05 December 2017 15:35 To: ProFox@leafe.com Subject: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
Just wanted to throw this out and see if anyone is running into something similar.
I have been wanting to find a new AV tool for my system and have been testing BitDefender for the last few weeks. I started with the free version and upgraded to the paid version after I realized the free version didn't let me exclude processes or files or folders.
However, since I've upgraded, I found that there is apparently something BitDefender doesn't like about some of the stuff Foxpro does during compilation (it crashes before completion and throws an error about unable to write to the path). Alternatively, when I run my modified GENDBC.prg to create a dbcbuilder file used by my applications, not only does it crash it trashes the DBC file being processed.
I've tried excluding VFP6 and VFP9 processes and I've tried excluding files to no avail. The only solution is to go into BitDefender and turn it off for 15 minutes or so and then I can complete the GENDBC or compilation process without any problems.
So here's my questions:
1) Is there something I need to do different with BitDefender to make be more friendly to VFP?
2) Should I just dump Bitdefender and go with a different AV tool? If so, what's the recommended tool.
Thanks!
Paul H. Tarver mailto:paul@tpcqpc.com paul@tpcqpc.com
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+1 - but otoh Windows Defender now seems to be as good as it gets.
On 05-Dec-2017 9:14 PM, Dave Crozier wrote:
Avast Free version has always worked for us here. You can turn bits on and off and the standard installation like most others asks you if you want to install 14 day trials etc but just dismiss them all. Only requirement is to register once every 12 months.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul H. Tarver Sent: 05 December 2017 15:35 To: ProFox@leafe.com Subject: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
Just wanted to throw this out and see if anyone is running into something similar.
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Well it depends on what the 'something' does - glancing at my desktop I see I have Malwarebytes, Microsoft Fixit, HiJack This* - afaik they are all on-demand programs so there is no overhead. I don't have any other anti-virus software running.
* Installed for some problems after updating to Win 10
On 06-Dec-2017 12:32 AM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
On 2017-12-05 11:55, AndyHC wrote:
+1 - but otoh Windows Defender now seems to be as good as it gets.
So it wouldn't make any sense to have Defender *AND* something else, right?
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Well it depends on what the 'something' does - glancing at my desktop I see I have Malwarebytes, Microsoft Fixit, HiJack This* - afaik they are all on-demand programs so there is no overhead. I don't have any other anti-virus software running.
I think some people are trying to compare apples and oranges to pineapples and pine trees here.
Running more than one *real time scanner* of any kind that inspects files as you move them, open them or execute them, at the same time, is a recipe for disaster.
As regards running Windows Defender and any other real-time anti-malware scanner at the same time: If you're doing it on a typical workstation I'm surprised you can even fully boot it up and log in. It may be that those... people... who are insisting on doing this on a server are only getting away with it because it's a massive tank with multiple multi-core processors and dozens of gigabytes of RAM. On an ordinary computer you would know instantly that it's a bonehead thing to do.
Lots of anti-malware products have the option to set up constant real-time scanning, or not to set it up, when you install it. It is necessary to pay attention to what the install screens tell you. Close attention. (In fact, if you are a computer professional, you should, as a matter of course, NEVER accept the default installation parameters for ANY software until you have at least examined the "advanced" or "custom" options.)
MalwareBytes, for example, can be used as a real-time scanner (where it will likely conflict with any other real-time scanner you have running, and cause serious problems) or only for manual or scheduled scans. You get the choice when you install it.
So having multiple anti-malware products *installed* is not a bad thing; in fact, most experts recommend that you have two or three installed, because none of them catches 100% of everything. But having more than one of them *running* at the same time is always a mistake.
As for my experience: I use free AVG at home because, unlike free avast!, it does not require registration. It does routinely try to trick me into installing its paid version(s), but since I am a computer professional I am not fooled. If it really got unbearably annoying, I'd probably go with free avast! and put up with the registration requirement.
At work we use the paid, centrally-managed version of avast! Endpoint Protection. My only real complaints about it are that 1) the documentation is non-existant and the only way to find out how to do something (anything) with it is to post a query to the user forums; and 2) it has a lot of false positives on websites because it insists on treating situations where website developers don't follow current "best practices" as though they were actual threats. (If you're a web developer, I'm sure it's nice to have a tool to tell you that failure to patch something has created a potential hole. But when end-users keep getting nasty-looking warnings because some developer is using an iFrame even though in the particular case, that iFrame has not been exploited to create an actual threat, then those users will likely start ignoring all of those warnings and just click through them until they stumble on something that really hurts. I've had this argument with the avast! developers, to no avail.)
The server-managed version of avast! is quite cheap per-seat for not-for-profits like ours if you get the three-year licenses; they provide a 50% discount to not-for-profits. The product does not require a true server OS; mine has been running on ordinary Windows 7 Ultimate on a fairly robust (think "gaming"), always-on, workstation for years. And the server-console function to easily let you block access to specified URLs (using wildcard characters if you wish) across your entire network works great.
An amazing thing about avast! is that not once in the nearly 6 years I've used the product has it ever forced somebody to reboot in order to load an update. It just gets the updates and runs them, period. Can you show me any other Windows anti-malware with that record?
By the way, avast! recently purchased AVG. I don't know what that will bode for the future but right now they are managing them as two completely separate products.
(And no disclaimer needed; I don't work for avast! nor am I a reseller of it--or of anything else except my own products.)
Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org
Used to prefer Abut it became too big and paralysed your machine so switched about 18 months ago. So far no issues with Avast at all. May well revisit AVG on my home PC's though, either that or TotalAV which seems to be getting rave reviews.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: 05 December 2017 15:59 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
On 2017-12-05 10:35, Paul H. Tarver wrote:
Should I just dump Bitdefender and go with a different AV tool?If so, what's the recommended tool.
I'd love to hear folks answers too. I've used Avast with pretty good success. AVG Free before that.
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On 2017-12-05 11:06, Dave Crozier wrote:
Used to prefer Abut it became too big and paralysed your machine so switched about 18 months ago. So far no issues with Avast at all. May well revisit AVG on my home PC's though, either that or TotalAV which seems to be getting rave reviews.
Most likely, I switched from AVG to Avast for the same reasons you mentioned above, Dave!
So has anyone tried TotalAV yet? Does it play well with the Fox?
Paul H. Tarver Email: paul@tpcqpc.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Dave Crozier Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 10:06 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
Used to prefer Abut it became too big and paralysed your machine so switched about 18 months ago. So far no issues with Avast at all. May well revisit AVG on my home PC's though, either that or TotalAV which seems to be getting rave reviews.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: 05 December 2017 15:59 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
On 2017-12-05 10:35, Paul H. Tarver wrote:
Should I just dump Bitdefender and go with a different AV tool?If so, what's the recommended tool.
I'd love to hear folks answers too. I've used Avast with pretty good success. AVG Free before that.
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On 2017-12-05 11:46, Paul H. Tarver wrote:
So has anyone tried TotalAV yet? Does it play well with the Fox?
Haven't tried that one. A client of mine's Corporate entity wants to use Kaspersky AV. I know at my govt gig we are specifically staying away from KAV because of concerns over the head dude there somehow being tied to Putin and the Kremlin. (paranoia?)
I thought I had heard somebody here years ago say that Kaspersky wasn't a good AV for Fox apps. Of course things change over time so maybe that's not the case now. In any case, if you can program exclusions, that'd be best.
Anybody got comments on Kaspersky?
tia, --Mike
FYI, we moved away from Kaspersky because we heard a story about them having some malware or otherware hitching a ride on their installation and the only way that could have happened was if someone had access to their source code or development systems. I don't think that qualified as paranoia, but I'm not above being wrong. At least that's what the voices tell me. :)
Paul H. Tarver Email: paul@tpcqpc.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 11:46 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Kaspersky AV (was Re: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP)
On 2017-12-05 11:46, Paul H. Tarver wrote:
So has anyone tried TotalAV yet? Does it play well with the Fox?
Haven't tried that one. A client of mine's Corporate entity wants to use Kaspersky AV. I know at my govt gig we are specifically staying away from KAV because of concerns over the head dude there somehow being tied to Putin and the Kremlin. (paranoia?)
I thought I had heard somebody here years ago say that Kaspersky wasn't a good AV for Fox apps. Of course things change over time so maybe that's not the case now. In any case, if you can program exclusions, that'd be best.
Anybody got comments on Kaspersky?
tia, --Mike
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Have used them for 7-10 years now. MalwareBytes as well.
They offer a rebate on 3 unit purchase all the time so your cost is tiny.
Have not had any problems with their product. I can run my old FPD app on my laptop and it works.
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Paul H. Tarver paul@tpcqpc.com wrote:
FYI, we moved away from Kaspersky because we heard a story about them having some malware or otherware hitching a ride on their installation and the only way that could have happened was if someone had access to their source code or development systems. I don't think that qualified as paranoia, but I'm not above being wrong. At least that's what the voices tell me. :)
Paul H. Tarver Email: paul@tpcqpc.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 11:46 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Kaspersky AV (was Re: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP)
On 2017-12-05 11:46, Paul H. Tarver wrote:
So has anyone tried TotalAV yet? Does it play well with the Fox?
Haven't tried that one. A client of mine's Corporate entity wants to use Kaspersky AV. I know at my govt gig we are specifically staying away from KAV because of concerns over the head dude there somehow being tied to Putin and the Kremlin. (paranoia?)
I thought I had heard somebody here years ago say that Kaspersky wasn't a good AV for Fox apps. Of course things change over time so maybe that's not the case now. In any case, if you can program exclusions, that'd be best.
Anybody got comments on Kaspersky?
tia, --Mike
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On 2017-12-05 12:55, Stephen Russell wrote:
Have used them for 7-10 years now. MalwareBytes as well.
They offer a rebate on 3 unit purchase all the time so your cost is tiny.
Have not had any problems with their product. I can run my old FPD app on my laptop and it works.
Wow...you run something to do with FoxPro? LOL
Every 3 or 5 years I get a call on my old software that was written 1990-92
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:00 PM, < mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:
On 2017-12-05 12:55, Stephen Russell wrote:
Have used them for 7-10 years now. MalwareBytes as well.
They offer a rebate on 3 unit purchase all the time so your cost is tiny.
Have not had any problems with their product. I can run my old FPD app on my laptop and it works.
Wow...you run something to do with FoxPro? LOL
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I know at my govt gig we are specifically staying away from KAV because
of concerns over the head dude there somehow being tied to Putin and the Kremlin. (paranoia?)<<
Not difficult to find...
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/13/us-government-bans-kasper... https://www.wired.com/story/kaspersky-russia-antivirus/ https://www.wired.com/story/nsa-contractors-hacking-tools/
Bill Anderson
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:45 AM, <mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com
wrote:
On 2017-12-05 11:46, Paul H. Tarver wrote:
So has anyone tried TotalAV yet? Does it play well with the Fox?
Haven't tried that one. A client of mine's Corporate entity wants to use Kaspersky AV. I know at my govt gig we are specifically staying away from KAV because of concerns over the head dude there somehow being tied to Putin and the Kremlin. (paranoia?)
I thought I had heard somebody here years ago say that Kaspersky wasn't a good AV for Fox apps. Of course things change over time so maybe that's not the case now. In any case, if you can program exclusions, that'd be best.
Anybody got comments on Kaspersky?
tia, --Mike
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On 2017-12-05 15:28, Bill Anderson wrote:
I know at my govt gig we are specifically staying away from KAV because
of concerns over the head dude there somehow being tied to Putin and the Kremlin. (paranoia?)<<
Not difficult to find...
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/13/us-government-bans-kasper... https://www.wired.com/story/kaspersky-russia-antivirus/ https://www.wired.com/story/nsa-contractors-hacking-tools/
Bill Anderson
Excellent...thanks, Bill. I didn't realize Best Buy and Office Depot stores had pulled the Kaspersky products. More ammunition for not using it.
On 5 December 2017 at 21:31, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
On 2017-12-05 15:28, Bill Anderson wrote:
I know at my govt gig we are specifically staying away from KAV because
of concerns over the head dude there somehow being tied to Putin and the Kremlin. (paranoia?)<<
Not difficult to find...
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/13/us-government-bans-kasper... https://www.wired.com/story/kaspersky-russia-antivirus/ https://www.wired.com/story/nsa-contractors-hacking-tools/
Excellent...thanks, Bill. I didn't realize Best Buy and Office Depot stores had pulled the Kaspersky products. More ammunition for not using it.
Barclays bank in the UK used to provide Kaspersky for free to all customers but is no longer offering this to new users.
"American Paranoia" - sounds like a 60's Beach Movie!
On 06-Dec-2017 1:58 AM, Bill Anderson wrote:
I know at my govt gig we are specifically staying away from KAV because
of concerns over the head dude there somehow being tied to Putin and the Kremlin. (paranoia?)<<
Not difficult to find...
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/13/us-government-bans-kasper... https://www.wired.com/story/kaspersky-russia-antivirus/ https://www.wired.com/story/nsa-contractors-hacking-tools/
Bill Anderson
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AVG is what I'm trying to get away from. The nag screens are becoming too much for my clients to deal with, I've had multiple client inadvertently install either the trial edition or their Tuneup tool. Speaking of which I had a client call me yesterday who had installed the AVG Tune Up Tool, and when it ran it told him he had multiple versions of the same files on his hard drive (owing to the fact that he had an old pc's data copied to a folder on his hard drive), and when it prompted him to get rid of those multiple files, he agreed and it deleted several binary files that were required to run his programs. Shadow copies to the rescue! And don't get me started about their Secure Browsing addin for browsers.
Anyway I figured I'd had a good run with AVG and needed a new alternative to recommend and so far I've been relatively pleased with BitDefender, but if it breaks my compile process and it comes down to BitDefender or VFP, then Bitdefender's gotta go.
PS: I am a reseller for AVG and sell large corporate clients the Network Licenses for multiple users. We have no issues with the paid Business Version of AVG. It's just the free stuff I'm trying to get around. However, given the fact that I bought the full version of BitDefender to get around issues with their free version, maybe I already have my answer.
Paul H. Tarver Email: paul@tpcqpc.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 9:59 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
On 2017-12-05 10:35, Paul H. Tarver wrote:
Should I just dump Bitdefender and go with a different AV tool?If so, what's the recommended tool.
I'd love to hear folks answers too. I've used Avast with pretty good success. AVG Free before that.
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I've been using the Bitdefender for maybe 4 years now with zero issue re VFP. The only fox related issue is with Refox, which I use rarely, and that was getting blocked. Added an exception in the "Advanced Threat Defense" module and sweet from there.
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul H. Tarver Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 2:35 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
Just wanted to throw this out and see if anyone is running into something similar.
I have been wanting to find a new AV tool for my system and have been testing BitDefender for the last few weeks. I started with the free version and upgraded to the paid version after I realized the free version didn't let me exclude processes or files or folders.
However, since I've upgraded, I found that there is apparently something BitDefender doesn't like about some of the stuff Foxpro does during compilation (it crashes before completion and throws an error about unable to write to the path). Alternatively, when I run my modified GENDBC.prg to create a dbcbuilder file used by my applications, not only does it crash it trashes the DBC file being processed.
I've tried excluding VFP6 and VFP9 processes and I've tried excluding files to no avail. The only solution is to go into BitDefender and turn it off for 15 minutes or so and then I can complete the GENDBC or compilation process without any problems.
So here's my questions:
1) Is there something I need to do different with BitDefender to make be more friendly to VFP?
2) Should I just dump Bitdefender and go with a different AV tool? If so, what's the recommended tool.
Thanks!
Paul H. Tarver mailto:paul@tpcqpc.com paul@tpcqpc.com
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Same here, no problem with BitDefender in four or five years.
Jose Enrique Llopis
-----Mensaje original----- De: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] En nombre de Darren Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 17:40 Para: profox@leafe.com Asunto: RE: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
I've been using the Bitdefender for maybe 4 years now with zero issue re VFP. The only fox related issue is with Refox, which I use rarely, and that was getting blocked. Added an exception in the "Advanced Threat Defense" module and sweet from there.
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul H. Tarver Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 2:35 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
Just wanted to throw this out and see if anyone is running into something similar.
I have been wanting to find a new AV tool for my system and have been testing BitDefender for the last few weeks. I started with the free version and upgraded to the paid version after I realized the free version didn't let me exclude processes or files or folders.
However, since I've upgraded, I found that there is apparently something BitDefender doesn't like about some of the stuff Foxpro does during compilation (it crashes before completion and throws an error about unable to write to the path). Alternatively, when I run my modified GENDBC.prg to create a dbcbuilder file used by my applications, not only does it crash it trashes the DBC file being processed.
I've tried excluding VFP6 and VFP9 processes and I've tried excluding files to no avail. The only solution is to go into BitDefender and turn it off for 15 minutes or so and then I can complete the GENDBC or compilation process without any problems.
So here's my questions:
1) Is there something I need to do different with BitDefender to make be more friendly to VFP?
2) Should I just dump Bitdefender and go with a different AV tool? If so, what's the recommended tool.
Thanks!
Paul H. Tarver mailto:paul@tpcqpc.com paul@tpcqpc.com
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Someone mentioned potential conflicts with multiple AV systems. I just realized that I had both BitDefender and MalwareBytes installed. I was assuming these were doing different jobs, but I've removed Malwarebytes now and will see if that is what is causing the conflict. No other AV tools installed so If this doesn't solve it, not sure what else I can.
Paul H. Tarver Email: paul@tpcqpc.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of José Enrique Llopis Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 2:43 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
Same here, no problem with BitDefender in four or five years.
Jose Enrique Llopis
-----Mensaje original----- De: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] En nombre de Darren Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 17:40 Para: profox@leafe.com Asunto: RE: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
I've been using the Bitdefender for maybe 4 years now with zero issue re VFP. The only fox related issue is with Refox, which I use rarely, and that was getting blocked. Added an exception in the "Advanced Threat Defense" module and sweet from there.
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul H. Tarver Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 2:35 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
Just wanted to throw this out and see if anyone is running into something similar.
I have been wanting to find a new AV tool for my system and have been testing BitDefender for the last few weeks. I started with the free version and upgraded to the paid version after I realized the free version didn't let me exclude processes or files or folders.
However, since I've upgraded, I found that there is apparently something BitDefender doesn't like about some of the stuff Foxpro does during compilation (it crashes before completion and throws an error about unable to write to the path). Alternatively, when I run my modified GENDBC.prg to create a dbcbuilder file used by my applications, not only does it crash it trashes the DBC file being processed.
I've tried excluding VFP6 and VFP9 processes and I've tried excluding files to no avail. The only solution is to go into BitDefender and turn it off for 15 minutes or so and then I can complete the GENDBC or compilation process without any problems.
So here's my questions:
1) Is there something I need to do different with BitDefender to make be more friendly to VFP?
2) Should I just dump Bitdefender and go with a different AV tool? If so, what's the recommended tool.
Thanks!
Paul H. Tarver mailto:paul@tpcqpc.com paul@tpcqpc.com
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Windows Defender works for me -no probs.
Laurie
On 5 December 2017 at 21:07, Paul H. Tarver paul@tpcqpc.com wrote:
Someone mentioned potential conflicts with multiple AV systems. I just realized that I had both BitDefender and MalwareBytes installed. I was assuming these were doing different jobs, but I've removed Malwarebytes now and will see if that is what is causing the conflict. No other AV tools installed so If this doesn't solve it, not sure what else I can.
Paul H. Tarver Email: paul@tpcqpc.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of José Enrique Llopis Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 2:43 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
Same here, no problem with BitDefender in four or five years.
Jose Enrique Llopis
-----Mensaje original----- De: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] En nombre de Darren Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 17:40 Para: profox@leafe.com Asunto: RE: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
I've been using the Bitdefender for maybe 4 years now with zero issue re VFP. The only fox related issue is with Refox, which I use rarely, and that was getting blocked. Added an exception in the "Advanced Threat Defense" module and sweet from there.
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul H. Tarver Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 2:35 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
Just wanted to throw this out and see if anyone is running into something similar.
I have been wanting to find a new AV tool for my system and have been testing BitDefender for the last few weeks. I started with the free version and upgraded to the paid version after I realized the free version didn't let me exclude processes or files or folders.
However, since I've upgraded, I found that there is apparently something BitDefender doesn't like about some of the stuff Foxpro does during compilation (it crashes before completion and throws an error about unable to write to the path). Alternatively, when I run my modified GENDBC.prg to create a dbcbuilder file used by my applications, not only does it crash it trashes the DBC file being processed.
I've tried excluding VFP6 and VFP9 processes and I've tried excluding files to no avail. The only solution is to go into BitDefender and turn it off for 15 minutes or so and then I can complete the GENDBC or compilation process without any problems.
So here's my questions:
Is there something I need to do different with BitDefender to makebe more friendly to VFP?
Should I just dump Bitdefender and go with a different AV tool? Ifso, what's the recommended tool.
Thanks!
Paul H. Tarver mailto:paul@tpcqpc.com paul@tpcqpc.com
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I'm glad some others are having success with BitDefender, but as of two hours ago, I uninstalled this program from my computer and have moved on to testing TotalAV. The problems with BitDefender continued to get worse when I discovered that on Dec 3rd for some reason, BitDefender decided that Macrium Backup files were a danger and it deleted all of my local full, differential and incremental backups and was crashing Macrium each time it tried to run a scheduled backup.
I ran a backup with BitDefender installed and it worked perfectly until the point where Macrium tried to finalize the backup file at which point BitDefender deleted the file as soon as it could get a record lock and before the Macrium could complete thus breaking the backup. This was on top of me having excluded the Macrium backup destination from BitDefender's scans. Apparently those exclusions are worthless.
Interestingly enough, the issues I have had BitDefender when compiling VFP files, running gendbc and backing up my files locally seem to occur whenever the process tries to modify, write or rename the files being created or processed. Each time BitDefender jumps in and attempts to stop the process even though I've excluded programs and folders.
I'm done with Bitdefender and my TotalAV review isn't going well either because after installing the program while trying to write this post, it continually tried to force me to buy before it would do anything. Looks like I'm going to Windows Security Essentials in the short term until another option makes itself available.
Paul H. Tarver Email: paul@tpcqpc.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Alvey Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 5:41 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
Windows Defender works for me -no probs.
Laurie
On 5 December 2017 at 21:07, Paul H. Tarver paul@tpcqpc.com wrote:
Someone mentioned potential conflicts with multiple AV systems. I just realized that I had both BitDefender and MalwareBytes installed. I was assuming these were doing different jobs, but I've removed Malwarebytes now and will see if that is what is causing the conflict. No other AV tools installed so If this doesn't solve it, not sure what else I can.
Paul H. Tarver Email: paul@tpcqpc.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of José Enrique Llopis Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 2:43 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
Same here, no problem with BitDefender in four or five years.
Jose Enrique Llopis
-----Mensaje original----- De: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] En nombre de Darren Enviado el: martes, 05 de diciembre de 2017 17:40 Para: profox@leafe.com Asunto: RE: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
I've been using the Bitdefender for maybe 4 years now with zero issue re VFP. The only fox related issue is with Refox, which I use rarely, and that was getting blocked. Added an exception in the "Advanced Threat Defense" module and sweet from there.
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul H. Tarver Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 2:35 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
Just wanted to throw this out and see if anyone is running into something similar.
I have been wanting to find a new AV tool for my system and have been testing BitDefender for the last few weeks. I started with the free version and upgraded to the paid version after I realized the free version didn't let me exclude processes or files or folders.
However, since I've upgraded, I found that there is apparently something BitDefender doesn't like about some of the stuff Foxpro does during compilation (it crashes before completion and throws an error about unable to write to the path). Alternatively, when I run my modified GENDBC.prg to create a dbcbuilder file used by my applications, not only does it crash it trashes the DBC file being processed.
I've tried excluding VFP6 and VFP9 processes and I've tried excluding files to no avail. The only solution is to go into BitDefender and turn it off for 15 minutes or so and then I can complete the GENDBC or compilation process without any problems.
So here's my questions:
Is there something I need to do different with BitDefender to makebe more friendly to VFP?
Should I just dump Bitdefender and go with a different AV tool? Ifso, what's the recommended tool.
Thanks!
Paul H. Tarver mailto:paul@tpcqpc.com paul@tpcqpc.com
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Just tried GENDBC - copied a database and files to location away from dev (different drive). Ran the GENDBC from the command window without parameters and selected Database and Target prg at the subsequent prompts. Worked as expected. Have the prg, fxp and krt files - no corruption of the DBC. Currently using Bitdefender Total Security 2018.
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul H. Tarver Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 2:35 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
Just wanted to throw this out and see if anyone is running into something similar.
I have been wanting to find a new AV tool for my system and have been testing BitDefender for the last few weeks. I started with the free version and upgraded to the paid version after I realized the free version didn't let me exclude processes or files or folders.
However, since I've upgraded, I found that there is apparently something BitDefender doesn't like about some of the stuff Foxpro does during compilation (it crashes before completion and throws an error about unable to write to the path). Alternatively, when I run my modified GENDBC.prg to create a dbcbuilder file used by my applications, not only does it crash it trashes the DBC file being processed.
I've tried excluding VFP6 and VFP9 processes and I've tried excluding files to no avail. The only solution is to go into BitDefender and turn it off for 15 minutes or so and then I can complete the GENDBC or compilation process without any problems.
So here's my questions:
1) Is there something I need to do different with BitDefender to make be more friendly to VFP?
2) Should I just dump Bitdefender and go with a different AV tool? If so, what's the recommended tool.
Thanks!
Paul H. Tarver mailto:paul@tpcqpc.com paul@tpcqpc.com
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It may be complicated by the fact that I have a shared folder on my local drive mapped to a drive letter (it's an old concept that I've been doing for years and it works for me so I won't try to justify it). All I know is every time I try to compile or run GENDBC, the process fails at the point of the creation of the new file UNTIL I turn off Bitdefender. The corruption of the DBC may just be a side-effect of the crashed program. Don't know anything other than the fact that I immediately have to restore the DBC if I forget to turn off Bitdefender.
Paul H. Tarver Email: paul@tpcqpc.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Darren Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 10:59 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
Just tried GENDBC - copied a database and files to location away from dev (different drive). Ran the GENDBC from the command window without parameters and selected Database and Target prg at the subsequent prompts. Worked as expected. Have the prg, fxp and krt files - no corruption of the DBC. Currently using Bitdefender Total Security 2018.
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul H. Tarver Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 2:35 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
Just wanted to throw this out and see if anyone is running into something similar.
I have been wanting to find a new AV tool for my system and have been testing BitDefender for the last few weeks. I started with the free version and upgraded to the paid version after I realized the free version didn't let me exclude processes or files or folders.
However, since I've upgraded, I found that there is apparently something BitDefender doesn't like about some of the stuff Foxpro does during compilation (it crashes before completion and throws an error about unable to write to the path). Alternatively, when I run my modified GENDBC.prg to create a dbcbuilder file used by my applications, not only does it crash it trashes the DBC file being processed.
I've tried excluding VFP6 and VFP9 processes and I've tried excluding files to no avail. The only solution is to go into BitDefender and turn it off for 15 minutes or so and then I can complete the GENDBC or compilation process without any problems.
So here's my questions:
1) Is there something I need to do different with BitDefender to make be more friendly to VFP?
2) Should I just dump Bitdefender and go with a different AV tool? If so, what's the recommended tool.
Thanks!
Paul H. Tarver mailto:paul@tpcqpc.com paul@tpcqpc.com
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Just my 2 cents... Since several years I'm running without any other additional AntiVirus Crap. The builtin Windows Defender from Win10 is absolutely on par with all those other gimmiks. And it is integrated seamlessly into the filestack, thus causing no additional trouble or performance bottlenecks.
wOOdy
I know the customers we have had seen plenty of corrupted CDX, blocked ActiveX controls, record creation errors due to the file (opened Exclusive in VFP) is in use from all sorts of anti-virus software programs. (Used ProcMonitor by SysInternals to prove it) Kaspersky, BitBlocker, AVG, Norton all stick in my mind right now. We've seen issues when there is multiple anti-virus programs installed. Even when the software is "not working since it is no longer registered", our customers have these issues.
Avast has been recently removed from my personal systems since it pops up adverts for more of their tools (which I find useless for me).
Windows defenders work for me.
As for developing, I have a VM I do most of my code with. I don't use any internet in the VM, so I feel Windows Defender is enough there. My desktop at the office, uses Windows Defender. We used to have other tools. The network admin decided Windows Defenders was good enough for the desktops in the office.
That's my thoughts on the subject.
Tracy
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Jürgen Wondzinski Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 2:03 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: AW: BitDefender Doesn't Play Well With VFP
Just my 2 cents... Since several years I'm running without any other additional AntiVirus Crap. The builtin Windows Defender from Win10 is absolutely on par with all those other gimmiks. And it is integrated seamlessly into the filestack, thus causing no additional trouble or performance bottlenecks.
wOOdy
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Just my 2 cents... Since several years I'm running without any other
additional
AntiVirus Crap. The builtin Windows Defender from Win10 is absolutely on par with all those other gimmiks. And it is integrated seamlessly into the filestack, thus causing no additional trouble or performance bottlenecks.
wOOdy
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