Sending this from my gmail account to see if it posts correctly...
-- Ed Leafe
I See - said the Blind Man...
Test Received!
-K
________________________________ From: ProFox on behalf of Ed Leafe Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2025 10:10 AM To: ProFox Mailing List Subject: [ADMIN] Testing DKIM configuration
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Sending this from my gmail account to see if it posts correctly...
-- Ed Leafe
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Speaking of blind men, my grandma taught me this poem when I was a child:
One day in the middle of the night, Two dead boys got up to fight, Back to back they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other. Now if you don't believe this lie is true, Ask the blind man, he seen it too.
Paul H. Tarver Tarver Program Consultants, Inc.
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2025 9:13 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Testing DKIM configuration
I See - said the Blind Man...
Test Received!
-K
________________________________ From: ProFox on behalf of Ed Leafe Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2025 10:10 AM To: ProFox Mailing List Subject: [ADMIN] Testing DKIM configuration
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Sending this from my gmail account to see if it posts correctly...
-- Ed Leafe
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Interesting, I assume you are based in the US Paul. It shows our shared heritage, I am in England (I don't call it UK as United it ain't) and was taught that by my mother 80 years ago!
John
John Weller 07976 393631
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Paul H. Tarver Sent: 03 April 2025 15:44 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Testing DKIM configuration
Speaking of blind men, my grandma taught me this poem when I was a child:
One day in the middle of the night, Two dead boys got up to fight, Back to back they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other. Now if you don't believe this lie is true, Ask the blind man, he seen it
too.
Paul H. Tarver Tarver Program Consultants, Inc.
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2025 9:13 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Testing DKIM configuration
I See - said the Blind Man...
Test Received!
-K
From: ProFox on behalf of Ed Leafe Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2025 10:10 AM To: ProFox Mailing List Subject: [ADMIN] Testing DKIM configuration
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Sending this from my gmail account to see if it posts correctly...
-- Ed Leafe
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I live in Mississippi in the deep South and there are actually a lot of things in Southern culture that hearken back to the England, Scotland and Ireland. Lots of folks descended from immigrants from those areas.
My family on my Grandma's side came to the US from Scotland way back in the day and moved to South Mississippi back when it belonged to Spain.
My family is a real mixing pot of influences and we've been here for quite a while! I relish the fact that after just turning sixty, I can still rattle off that poem that I learned as a little boy and every time I do it reminds me of my grandma reciting it to me word for word to help me learn it. :)
Paul H. Tarver Tarver Program Consultants, Inc.
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John Weller Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2025 9:53 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Testing DKIM configuration
Interesting, I assume you are based in the US Paul. It shows our shared heritage, I am in England (I don't call it UK as United it ain't) and was taught that by my mother 80 years ago!
John
John Weller 07976 393631
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Paul H. Tarver Sent: 03 April 2025 15:44 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Testing DKIM configuration
Speaking of blind men, my grandma taught me this poem when I was a child:
One day in the middle of the night, Two dead boys got up to fight, Back to back they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other. Now if you don't believe this lie is true, Ask the blind man, he seen it
too.
Paul H. Tarver Tarver Program Consultants, Inc.
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2025 9:13 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Testing DKIM configuration
I See - said the Blind Man...
Test Received!
-K
From: ProFox on behalf of Ed Leafe Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2025 10:10 AM To: ProFox Mailing List Subject: [ADMIN] Testing DKIM configuration
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Sending this from my gmail account to see if it posts correctly...
-- Ed Leafe
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On Apr 3, 2025, at 09:10, Ed Leafe edleafe@gmail.com wrote:
Sending this from my gmail account to see if it posts correctly...
Well, it did and it didn't. I've read up a bit more, and it seems that since the list software doesn't change the 'From: ' header, the original DKIM auth headers should remain as-is. Likewise, since DKIM is based on the 'From: ' header's domain, the list shouldn't be adding a DKIM header for leafe.com http://leafe.com/, since it would only be valid on my posts. :-P
The only other option is to enforce DKIM validation on the posts to the list, and reject posts that fail. That would ensure that everything the list sends out passes DKIM auth for the recipients, but would limit the people who can post to the list. For example, Rick Shummer's recent post about Virtual Fox Fest contained no DKIM headers, and as a result several people reported that it was blocked by their mail system. I could configure my server to reject such posts, which is technically the correct solution, but not everyone has control over their email like I do.
Any thoughts? Leave things as-is, or enforce authentication on the senders?
-- Ed Leafe
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