Customer is a small business and NOT tech savvy at all (so don't suggest "UltraVNC configured oh so cool!"). I warned her you get what you pay for many times, but said I'd research it. I use TeamViewer and it's great for me but overkill for her. TV has a free license but the wording appears to be such that it's for accessing your personal home computer from work (not the other direction). LogMeIn (as we've noted here) kept jacking up prices, and they have no more free version. I've got a question into gotomypc.com to see if unattended access is an option for their product (although it's not free either). I have no problem telling a client that free isn't possible but I did say I'd check first. GotoMyPC's pricing isn't bad for the single user if she can use it in unattended access mode: https://get.gotomypc.com/plansandpricing
Other suggestions based on your experience?
Found this too, reviewing alternatives to LMI: https://www.pcworld.com/article/2091801/5-alternatives-to-logmein-free-for-r...
tia! --Mike
I use chrome remote desktop. Works great with a dual monitor setup.
Fred
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 7:35 PM, < mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:
Customer is a small business and NOT tech savvy at all (so don't suggest "UltraVNC configured oh so cool!"). I warned her you get what you pay for many times, but said I'd research it. I use TeamViewer and it's great for me but overkill for her. TV has a free license but the wording appears to be such that it's for accessing your personal home computer from work (not the other direction). LogMeIn (as we've noted here) kept jacking up prices, and they have no more free version. I've got a question into gotomypc.com to see if unattended access is an option for their product (although it's not free either). I have no problem telling a client that free isn't possible but I did say I'd check first. GotoMyPC's pricing isn't bad for the single user if she can use it in unattended access mode: https://get.gotomypc.com/plansandpricing
Other suggestions based on your experience?
Found this too, reviewing alternatives to LMI: https://www.pcworld.com/article/2091801/5-alternatives-to- logmein-free-for-remote-pc-access.html
tia! --Mike
[excessive quoting removed by server]
There's a definite gap in the market for a very simple screen-sharing product like this, with maybe cut & paste and printing functionality. TV and LogMeIn are far too expensive for the home user. And I don't get why, surely what they do is essentially a solved problem by now.
Several of my clients have settled on Splashtop as an LMI replacement - https://www.splashtop.com/
--
rk
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:38 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Customer asking for (preferably free) unattended remote access software so she can access her work machine from home
There's a definite gap in the market for a very simple screen-sharing product like this, with maybe cut & paste and printing functionality. TV and LogMeIn are far too expensive for the home user. And I don't get why, surely what they do is essentially a solved problem by now.
On 2017-09-19 07:35, Richard Kaye wrote:
Several of my clients have settled on Splashtop as an LMI replacement
Yep...my colleague uses Splashtop for his clients too.
On 2017-09-19 07:35, Richard Kaye wrote:
Several of my clients have settled on Splashtop as an LMI replacement
Used Splashtop last night to remotely support a client. Very nice and simple!
It does the job but if you have file transfer needs that are even mildly complex it still pales in comparison to LMI.
--
rk
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 10:10 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Customer asking for (preferably free) unattended remote access software so she can access her work machine from home
On 2017-09-19 07:35, Richard Kaye wrote:
Several of my clients have settled on Splashtop as an LMI replacement
Used Splashtop last night to remotely support a client. Very nice and simple!
Richard, The file transfer facility has been radically improved in the latest release. It is now quick and stable.
Dave
--------------------------------------------------------------- This communication and the information it contains is intended for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. Its contents are confidential and may be protected in law. If you have received this e-mail in error you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. Unauthorised use, copying or disclosure of any of it may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone or email.
Flexipol Packaging Ltd. has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise the risk of virus transmission through email and therefore any files sent via e-mail will have been checked for known viruses. However, you are advised to run your own virus check before opening any attachments received as Flexipol Packaging Ltd will not in any event accept any liability whatsoever once an e-mail and/or any attachment is received.
It is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they have adequate virus protection.
Flexipol Packaging Ltd. Unit 14 Bentwood Road Carrs Industrial Estate Haslingden Rossendale Lancashire BB4 5HH
Tel:01706-222792 Fax: 01706-224683 www.Flexipol.co.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------
Terms & Conditions:
Notwithstanding delivery and the passing of risk in the goods, the property in the goods shall not pass to the buyer until the seller Flexipol Packaging Ltd. ("The Company") has received in cash or cleared funds payment in full of the price of the goods and all other goods agreed to be sold by the seller to the buyer for which payment is then due. Until such time as the property in the goods passes to the buyer, the buyer shall hold the goods as the seller's fiduciary agent and bailee and keep the goods separate from those of the buyer and third parties and properly stored protected and insured and identified as the seller's property but shall be entitled to resell or use the goods in the ordinary course of its business. Until such time as the property in the goods passes to the buyer the seller shall be entitled at any time
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Richard Kaye Sent: 27 October 2017 15:30 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Customer asking for (preferably free) unattended remote access software so she can access her work machine from home
It does the job but if you have file transfer needs that are even mildly complex it still pales in comparison to LMI.
--
rk
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 10:10 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Customer asking for (preferably free) unattended remote access software so she can access her work machine from home
On 2017-09-19 07:35, Richard Kaye wrote:
Several of my clients have settled on Splashtop as an LMI replacement
Used Splashtop last night to remotely support a client. Very nice and simple!
_______________________________________________ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/MWHPR10MB17747AC5E044111D7E0BAD0ED25A... ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
It's stable and has been for a while now but the UI still blows, Dave. 😊 No drag and drop between host and remote. No diffing or syncing or replication options. It's modal. It's not keyboard friendly at all. No hot keys. And LMI's compression algorithms are way faster. But as a remote access tool they've done a decent job.
--
rk
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Dave Crozier Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 10:31 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Customer asking for (preferably free) unattended remote access software so she can access her work machine from home
Richard, The file transfer facility has been radically improved in the latest release. It is now quick and stable.
Dave
On 2017-10-27 10:39, Richard Kaye wrote:
It's stable and has been for a while now but the UI still blows, Dave. 😊 No drag and drop between host and remote. No diffing or syncing or replication options. It's modal. It's not keyboard friendly at all. No hot keys. And LMI's compression algorithms are way faster. But as a remote access tool they've done a decent job.
I loved LogMeIn (LMI) but it's costs became too expensive for what I wanted to pay. With TeamViewer, it was a one-shot payment and I'm good to go from here out.
If you don't have significant file transfer needs than LMI is less attractive. Having said that I don't think the 2 seat Pro license is so terribly expensive for small businesses. The idea is to get the client to buy and manage that instead of me.
It's true that after many years of giving things away, LMI decided that wasn't a sustainable business model and they had the nerve to ask people to start paying for their product. This is why I've never like the everything should be free mindset. If you have the gall to ask for money after that, you get vilified. But until we've got the Star Trek economy, I say you get what you pay for. 😊
<set rant on> Teamviewer... Another user experience I find dreadful. But that's just me. Multipart forms and toolbars hanging off every edge of the display covering up things you want to see... Just get out of my way after I connect and let me get my work done! And you think that at some point Teamviewer won't change their pricing model? Or force you into an upgrade you don't need because their expenses exceed their revenue stream? <set rant off>
Happy Friday!
--
rk
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 12:52 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Customer asking for (preferably free) unattended remote access software so she can access her work machine from home
On 2017-10-27 10:39, Richard Kaye wrote:
It's stable and has been for a while now but the UI still blows, Dave. 😊 No drag and drop between host and remote. No diffing or syncing or replication options. It's modal. It's not keyboard friendly at all. No hot keys. And LMI's compression algorithms are way faster. But as a remote access tool they've done a decent job.
I loved LogMeIn (LMI) but it's costs became too expensive for what I wanted to pay. With TeamViewer, it was a one-shot payment and I'm good to go from here out.
On 2017-10-27 10:30, Richard Kaye wrote:
It does the job but if you have file transfer needs that are even mildly complex it still pales in comparison to LMI.
Agreed...the version my team has doesn't do file transfer, so I had to use my website as an interim spot. Typically I use TeamViewer (which is GREAT!), but for this client, the MBSS support team uses Splashtop.
One thing I find myself doing when using other remote access solutions is logging in to my computer with LMI from the client system just to use its file manager. As long as I can run a browser, of course, which isn't always the case.
--
rk
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 12:51 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Customer asking for (preferably free) unattended remote access software so she can access her work machine from home
On 2017-10-27 10:30, Richard Kaye wrote:
It does the job but if you have file transfer needs that are even mildly complex it still pales in comparison to LMI.
Agreed...the version my team has doesn't do file transfer, so I had to use my website as an interim spot. Typically I use TeamViewer (which is GREAT!), but for this client, the MBSS support team uses Splashtop.
I use Radmin with one of my clients. $49 per PC as a one-time fee.
The only trick is that you need to open a port on their firewall. The port can be of your choosing. Example: port 4899. I've used TeamViewer to connect to their PC, and then use their PC to connect to their firewall and set up a rule that opens that port, and forwards traffic to the PC I want to control. The PC should have a static IP address as you probably guessed.
It has been rock solid ... as long as they don't switch out their firewall, which has happened. 10 years worth of remote access for the $49 is a pretty fair deal IMO.
Take care, Kevin
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:36 PM To: ProFox Subject: [NF] Customer asking for (preferably free) unattended remote access software so she can access her work machine from home
Customer is a small business and NOT tech savvy at all (so don't suggest "UltraVNC configured oh so cool!"). I warned her you get what you pay for many times, but said I'd research it. I use TeamViewer and it's great for me but overkill for her. TV has a free license but the wording appears to be such that it's for accessing your personal home computer from work (not the other direction). LogMeIn (as we've noted here) kept jacking up prices, and they have no more free version. I've got a question into gotomypc.com to see if unattended access is an option for their product (although it's not free either). I have no problem telling a client that free isn't possible but I did say I'd check first. GotoMyPC's pricing isn't bad for the single user if she can use it in unattended access mode: https://get.gotomypc.com/plansandpricing
Other suggestions based on your experience?
Found this too, reviewing alternatives to LMI: https://www.pcworld.com/article/2091801/5-alternatives-to-logmein-free-for-r...
tia! --Mike
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Checkout Anydesk.com. I've used it occasionally for one-off attended connections and it works very well.
Casual personal use is free but their pay options include annual or one time fee options. For example the level that might work for your client costs $79 per year OR a one time fee of about $350. Those prices are at least affordable and you can start off on the free model then see how it goes from there.
Paul
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 18, 2017, at 9:35 PM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
Customer is a small business and NOT tech savvy at all (so don't suggest "UltraVNC configured oh so cool!"). I warned her you get what you pay for many times, but said I'd research it. I use TeamViewer and it's great for me but overkill for her. TV has a free license but the wording appears to be such that it's for accessing your personal home computer from work (not the other direction). LogMeIn (as we've noted here) kept jacking up prices, and they have no more free version. I've got a question into gotomypc.com to see if unattended access is an option for their product (although it's not free either). I have no problem telling a client that free isn't possible but I did say I'd check first. GotoMyPC's pricing isn't bad for the single user if she can use it in unattended access mode: https://get.gotomypc.com/plansandpricing
Other suggestions based on your experience?
Found this too, reviewing alternatives to LMI: https://www.pcworld.com/article/2091801/5-alternatives-to-logmein-free-for-r...
tia! --Mike
[excessive quoting removed by server]
You can try TEAMVIEWER its free for casual use and it's easy to install, you can remote in from anywhere.
Roger Tremblay
Tremblay and Associates Rogtrem@gmail.com Office: 603.942.7569 Cell: 617.308.4793
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul H. Tarver Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 8:25 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Customer asking for (preferably free) unattended remote access software so she can access her work machine from home
Checkout Anydesk.com. I've used it occasionally for one-off attended connections and it works very well.
Casual personal use is free but their pay options include annual or one time fee options. For example the level that might work for your client costs $79 per year OR a one time fee of about $350. Those prices are at least affordable and you can start off on the free model then see how it goes from there.
Paul
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 18, 2017, at 9:35 PM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com
wrote:
Customer is a small business and NOT tech savvy at all (so don't suggest
"UltraVNC configured oh so cool!"). I warned her you get what you pay for many times, but said I'd research it. I use TeamViewer and it's great for me but overkill for her. TV has a free license but the wording appears to be such that it's for accessing your personal home computer from work (not the other direction). LogMeIn (as we've noted here) kept jacking up prices, and they have no more free version. I've got a question into gotomypc.com to see if unattended access is an option for their product (although it's not free either). I have no problem telling a client that free isn't possible but I did say I'd check first. GotoMyPC's pricing isn't bad for the single user if she can use it in unattended access mode: https://get.gotomypc.com/plansandpricing
Other suggestions based on your experience?
Found this too, reviewing alternatives to LMI:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2091801/5-alternatives-to-logmein-free-for-r emote-pc-access.html
tia! --Mike
[excessive quoting removed by server]
On 2017-09-19 08:45, Roger Tremblay wrote:
You can try TEAMVIEWER its free for casual use and it's easy to install, you can remote in from anywhere.
This is for connecting to her business machine, though, so not really personal use (depending on your interpretation).
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017, at 01:24 PM, Paul H. Tarver wrote:
Checkout Anydesk.com. I've used it occasionally for one-off attended connections and it works very well.
I notice from 2014 mentions of a 30 min limit on free sessions, does that still apply do you know?
You know, I don't know. That's the first I've seen anything about that limitation. Usually when I use it, it is for short periods of time for support calls when for whatever reason a client cannot seem to get connected with my paid support tool, GoToAssist, but I can't remember ever having it time out on me.
Paul H. Tarver Tarver Program Consultants, Inc. Email: paul@tpcqpc.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:45 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Customer asking for (preferably free) unattended remote access software so she can access her work machine from home
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017, at 01:24 PM, Paul H. Tarver wrote:
Checkout Anydesk.com. I've used it occasionally for one-off attended connections and it works very well.
I notice from 2014 mentions of a 30 min limit on free sessions, does that still apply do you know?
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Mike, Teamviewer is free but use it too often and they will disable it as they sus that it is being used for commercial use.
As per others on here I am a great advocate for Splashtop which has really matured, handles sound, video, printing and multi screens no problem. Not free but very reasonable for such a product.
Free is OK but not if it doesn't do what you want!
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: 19 September 2017 03:36 To: ProFox profox@leafe.com Subject: [NF] Customer asking for (preferably free) unattended remote access software so she can access her work machine from home
Customer is a small business and NOT tech savvy at all (so don't suggest "UltraVNC configured oh so cool!"). I warned her you get what you pay for many times, but said I'd research it. I use TeamViewer and it's great for me but overkill for her. TV has a free license but the wording appears to be such that it's for accessing your personal home computer from work (not the other direction). LogMeIn (as we've noted here) kept jacking up prices, and they have no more free version. I've got a question into gotomypc.com to see if unattended access is an option for their product (although it's not free either). I have no problem telling a client that free isn't possible but I did say I'd check first. GotoMyPC's pricing isn't bad for the single user if she can use it in unattended access mode: https://get.gotomypc.com/plansandpricing
Other suggestions based on your experience?
Found this too, reviewing alternatives to LMI: https://www.pcworld.com/article/2091801/5-alternatives-to-logmein-free-for-r...
tia! --Mike
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Shouldn't this be a decision for the employer's sysadmin? However it's done it will have to get through the corporate firewall. Given that, an SSH tunnel is not that difficult to set up, it can even be done fro/m /the employer side to 'home' and reverse tunnel back in. (shhh!)
--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ---
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:57 AM, AndyHC andy@hawthorncottage.com wrote:
Shouldn't this be a decision for the employer's sysadmin?
As is nearly always the case in ProFox, we haven't enough data to go on, and have to project some guesses as to the situation.
So, "small business" might mean a single-person and/or single computer. The owner's work computer needs to be accessed remotely from the owner's home computer.
If so, the firewall is likely to be a flimsy thing built into the business's cable router
However it's done it will have to get through the corporate firewall.
Given that, an SSH tunnel is not that difficult to set up, it can even be done fro/m /the employer side to 'home' and reverse tunnel back in. (shhh!)
Certainly my preferred solution, In several small biz I work with (3-6 people), the data and my app end up on a Linux box in their office that provides them with Samba and Apache intranet and other useful functions, as well as proving a robust ssh server inside their network that can send log files and let me know when their external IP address changes. A small workgroup server is a fairly inexpensive capital outlay for most businesses.
On 20-Sep-17 11:41 AM, Ted Roche wrote:
/.......an SSH tunnel is not that difficult to set up/
<snip> Certainly my preferred solution, In several small biz I work with (3-6 people), the data and my app end up on a Linux box in their office that provides them with Samba and Apache intranet and other useful functions, as well as proving a robust ssh server inside their network that can send log files and let me know when their external IP address changes. A small workgroup server is a fairly inexpensive capital outlay for most businesses.
Yes, I've done most of the above using WD NAS boxen and some of it just on the router , RasPi should also be pretty simple (trying that next, with the GoDaddy API for ddns - I think it needs nodejs which might be fun!).
--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ---
Remote Desktop gets a deservedly bad reputation, but it's possible to configure it to work on a non-standard port (to avoid the skript kiddies) with SSL-level encryption, and limited to a specific IP address. It would cost nothing, but I'd charge a client at least $300 to set it up. Details are on the internet.
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 10:35 PM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
Customer is a small business and NOT tech savvy at all (so don't suggest "UltraVNC configured oh so cool!"). I warned her you get what you pay for many times, but said I'd research it. I use TeamViewer and it's great for me but overkill for her. TV has a free license but the wording appears to be such that it's for accessing your personal home computer from work (not the other direction). LogMeIn (as we've noted here) kept jacking up prices, and they have no more free version. I've got a question into gotomypc.com to see if unattended access is an option for their product (although it's not free either). I have no problem telling a client that free isn't possible but I did say I'd check first. GotoMyPC's pricing isn't bad for the single user if she can use it in unattended access mode: https://get.gotomypc.com/plansandpricing
Other suggestions based on your experience?
Found this too, reviewing alternatives to LMI: https://www.pcworld.com/article/2091801/5-alternatives-to-logmein-free-for-r...
tia! --Mike
[excessive quoting removed by server]
RDP is safe enough through a VPN. Over the public internet to your office IP not through a VPN? Goooood-night.
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
RDP is safe enough through a VPN. Over the public internet to your office IP not through a VPN? Goooood-night.
If RDP is configured to use SSL for encrypted communication and limited to specific IP addresses, how is that less secure than a VPN?
Bad wording on my part, sorry. I was just trying to reinforce not running it unsecured over the web.
So, I guess the real question is. Does she want to pay you to set up the free solution or the software company to supply a finished easy to install product? ... and if she pays you, is it worth it for the ongoing pain when things change, as we all know they will and she wants another "freebie".
Personally I'd go for the finished product and a 'finders' fee' on your part!!
Your decision Mike.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: 19 September 2017 14:41 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Customer asking for (preferably free) unattended remote access software so she can access her work machine from home
Remote Desktop gets a deservedly bad reputation, but it's possible to configure it to work on a non-standard port (to avoid the skript kiddies) with SSL-level encryption, and limited to a specific IP address. It would cost nothing, but I'd charge a client at least $300 to set it up. Details are on the internet.
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 10:35 PM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
Customer is a small business and NOT tech savvy at all (so don't suggest "UltraVNC configured oh so cool!"). I warned her you get what you pay for many times, but said I'd research it. I use TeamViewer and it's great for me but overkill for her. TV has a free license but the wording appears to be such that it's for accessing your personal home computer from work (not the other direction). LogMeIn (as we've noted here) kept jacking up prices, and they have no more free version. I've got a question into gotomypc.com to see if unattended access is an option for their product (although it's not free either). I have no problem telling a client that free isn't possible but I did say I'd check first. GotoMyPC's pricing isn't bad for the single user if she can use it in unattended access mode: https://get.gotomypc.com/plansandpricing
Other suggestions based on your experience?
Found this too, reviewing alternatives to LMI: https://www.pcworld.com/article/2091801/5-alternatives-to-logmein-free -for-remote-pc-access.html
tia! --Mike
[excessive quoting removed by server]