In USD I saw 40.00 for the applet. I hope our buyer service can do better. Has anyone seen any server-side prices yet?
Java still sucks.
Fuck Oracle
Oooohhh - its Bad Stephen!
:-)
Never really messed w/Java myself. Got a book on it Many, many years ago - but, didn't actually follow-up on it.
-K-
On 11/14/2018 8:09 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
In USD I saw 40.00 for the applet. I hope our buyer service can do better. Has anyone seen any server-side prices yet?
Java still sucks.
Fuck Oracle
Crap! I wish I could find the email where I emphatically stated that one day Oracle would figure out a way to extort money for the use of Java (they got ownership after they acquired Sun Microsystems). I knew they would eventually not be able to resist the temptation. At that time I received quite a number of "boos" and "you're crazy" and "that will never happen" responses. HAHAHAHAHA.
I'm glad I never did more than dabble in it. Like any language it's got its good and bad. But thank goodness I never released an application that would now put a noose around my customer's or employer's necks.
-Charlie
On 11/14/2018 11:38 AM, Kurt at VR-FX wrote:
Never really messed w/Java myself. Got a book on it Many, many years ago - but, didn't actually follow-up on it.
-K-
We agree on seeing the monetary potential for java ownership was going to bite us all.
How many different software apps does your company use that use java? We are digging through our catalog to see if some people do not. We understand that our ERP is based on it, :( and that will cost $$$$$$$ for all of those users. But we have a lot of employees that do manufacturing design and engineering and never really touch LN, the ERP by name.
We thought that the ERP was going to shove that fee into our license but this mornings call gave us an empty feeling like they have not even considered it. It is a month and a half away. Our budget is due at the EOW and we have no idea how to account for this GOUGE by Oracle.
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 11:02 AM Charlie-gm ccbibleman@gmail.com wrote:
Crap! I wish I could find the email where I emphatically stated that one day Oracle would figure out a way to extort money for the use of Java (they got ownership after they acquired Sun Microsystems). I knew they would eventually not be able to resist the temptation. At that time I received quite a number of "boos" and "you're crazy" and "that will never happen" responses. HAHAHAHAHA.
I'm glad I never did more than dabble in it. Like any language it's got its good and bad. But thank goodness I never released an application that would now put a noose around my customer's or employer's necks.
-Charlie
On 11/14/2018 11:38 AM, Kurt at VR-FX wrote:
Never really messed w/Java myself. Got a book on it Many, many years ago - but, didn't actually follow-up on it.
-K-
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Is it not the case however that you can use Oracle OpenJDK instead (which the whole thing has been based on since Java 7 or 8 anyway) without licencing requirements, and that you only need to use the Oracle JDK and licence it if you are using it with other Oracle products or services?
So for example if your ERP was written in Java but used PostGres or something as the database, you could just switch over to OpenJDK ?
On Nov 14, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
We agree on seeing the monetary potential for java ownership was going to bite us all.
One of the most compelling reasons for adopting Python is that such practices are impossible. It is permissibly licensed, so the threat of some corporation holding a critical part of an app hostage for licensing fees is simply not possible. Same is true for Go.
When I realized that Microsoft was killing VFP because it could make more money on other products, I swore I would never get suckered into such a situation ever again.
-- Ed Leafe
I just find it funny that now Oracle is selling their language and MS is giving theirs away (more or less). I had figured that Oracle would simply borrow the MS approach but I guess the $$ were more important to them.
I wonder if this affects Android (or maybe losing that battle with Google is what prompted this...)
Fletcher
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-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 10:02 AM To: ProFox Mailing List Subject: Re: [NF] Anyone seen pricing on Java fees for 2019?
On Nov 14, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
We agree on seeing the monetary potential for java ownership was going to bite us all.
One of the most compelling reasons for adopting Python is that such practices are impossible. It is permissibly licensed, so the threat of some corporation holding a critical part of an app hostage for licensing fees is simply not possible. Same is true for Go.
When I realized that Microsoft was killing VFP because it could make more money on other products, I swore I would never get suckered into such a situation ever again.
-- Ed Leafe
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Java in the form of OpenJDK remains free. The only scenario where you have to pay for it is if you're using it against an Oracle db or something else from Oracle.
https://medium.com/@javachampions/java-is-still-free-c02aef8c9e04
(Note, I don't use Java)
Thanks. We are still looking into this.
On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 3:34 AM Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
Java in the form of OpenJDK remains free. The only scenario where you have to pay for it is if you're using it against an Oracle db or something else from Oracle.
https://medium.com/@javachampions/java-is-still-free-c02aef8c9e04
(Note, I don't use Java)
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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