On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Mike Copeland mike@ggisoft.com wrote:
I tried downloading and burning a DVD to use for the upgrades, and it always asks for a Registration Key even when updating a valid installation. After it rejected 5 different keys, three brand new and had never been used, I gave up on that approach.
What's your goal here: avoiding the 3Gb+ download for each workstation, or doing a clean install?
I've done the latter, and didn't need to use a registration key by wasting a lot of bandwidth:
1) Do the local "upgrade" to upgrade the existing install to Win10 2) Download the 75 Mb media tool. 3) Use the tool to download the 3Gb+ media AGAIN and create new media for a clean install (USB tab highly recommended!) and then install the clean version over the dirty, upgrade-in-place version.
Ted Roche wrote:
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Mike Copeland mike@ggisoft.com wrote:
I tried downloading and burning a DVD to use for the upgrades, and it always asks for a Registration Key even when updating a valid installation. After it rejected 5 different keys, three brand new and had never been used, I gave up on that approach.
What's your goal here: avoiding the 3Gb+ download for each workstation, or doing a clean install?
I've done the latter, and didn't need to use a registration key by wasting a lot of bandwidth:
- Do the local "upgrade" to upgrade the existing install to Win10
- Download the 75 Mb media tool.
- Use the tool to download the 3Gb+ media AGAIN and create new media
for a clean install (USB tab highly recommended!) and then install the clean version over the dirty, upgrade-in-place version.
Great question, Ted!
My goal is to get this done as easily as possible. Beyond that, quickness and reliability are good.
I did download the upgrade tool, then the files to burn an upgrade DVD. That's what I tried using on a few systems that I have physical access to, and every time I tried using it, one of the very first steps was to enter the Windows Key, which I did, and it said the key was invalid. The last attempt, which I think was the 4th or 5th machine, I even tried using a key that I recently purchased for building a new system, and that was rejected as invalid. So, on my scoresheet, DVD upgrade is (1) not easy, (2) not quick...although it is reliably failing.
Over the last few days I've upgraded 12 systems and what works best, for me, is to either re-enable the Win10 Upgrade icon in the system tray and use that (I had disabled the upgrade a few months back with the GWX Control Panel from the UltimateOutsider.com) or to download the Microsoft updater, which appears to do the same thing as the Win10 Upgrade utility that was auto-installed.
So all that to say that downloading for each workstation seems to be the best approach for me, so far.
And, so far with the exception of Logmein needing to be uninstalled and reinstalled, the process has been remarkably reliable and smooth, although not fast. Most of the time is spent with modifying the new Win10 install to remove/prevent access to various customization features that I don't want/need end users to have (corporate environment.) I'm seeing where using Active Directory would be a great benefit, but I don't plan on doing this long enough to justify making the change now.
Mike
On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 13:11:35 -0500, Mike Copeland mike@ggisoft.com wrote:
Ted Roche wrote:
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Mike Copeland mike@ggisoft.com wrote:
I tried downloading and burning a DVD to use for the upgrades, and it always asks for a Registration Key even when updating a valid installation. After it rejected 5 different keys, three brand new and had never been used, I gave up on that approach.
What's your goal here: avoiding the 3Gb+ download for each workstation, or doing a clean install?
I've done the latter, and didn't need to use a registration key by wasting a lot of bandwidth:
- Do the local "upgrade" to upgrade the existing install to Win10
- Download the 75 Mb media tool.
- Use the tool to download the 3Gb+ media AGAIN and create new media
for a clean install (USB tab highly recommended!) and then install the clean version over the dirty, upgrade-in-place version.
Great question, Ted!
My goal is to get this done as easily as possible. Beyond that, quickness and reliability are good.
I did download the upgrade tool, then the files to burn an upgrade DVD. That's what I tried using on a few systems that I have physical access to, and every time I tried using it, one of the very first steps was to enter the Windows Key, which I did, and it said the key was invalid. The last attempt, which I think was the 4th or 5th machine, I even tried using a key that I recently purchased for building a new system, and that was rejected as invalid. So, on my scoresheet, DVD upgrade is (1) not easy, (2) not quick...although it is reliably failing.
Over the last few days I've upgraded 12 systems and what works best, for me, is to either re-enable the Win10 Upgrade icon in the system tray and use that (I had disabled the upgrade a few months back with the GWX Control Panel from the UltimateOutsider.com) or to download the Microsoft updater, which appears to do the same thing as the Win10 Upgrade utility that was auto-installed.
So all that to say that downloading for each workstation seems to be the best approach for me, so far.
And, so far with the exception of Logmein needing to be uninstalled and reinstalled, the process has been remarkably reliable and smooth, although not fast. Most of the time is spent with modifying the new Win10 install to remove/prevent access to various customization features that I don't want/need end users to have (corporate environment.) I'm seeing where using Active Directory would be a great benefit, but I don't plan on doing this long enough to justify making the change now.
Mike
Hi Mike,
there should be a button to Skip the Product Key insert during installation.
The same installation disk should permit clean install and upgrade install.
When you run the "media creation tool" follow these guidelines:
- select Create installation media for another PC
- choose the language, the edition and the architecture (choose 32-bit AND 64-bit)
- choose to create a USB key if you know for sure that the pc's you want upgrade can boot from a USB drive
Look at the Windows 10 page for further help: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
Thanks, Gianni! I'll step through it again and make sure I use the preferred process.
Mike
Gianni Turri wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 13:11:35 -0500, Mike Copeland mike@ggisoft.com wrote:
Ted Roche wrote:
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Mike Copeland mike@ggisoft.com wrote:
I tried downloading and burning a DVD to use for the upgrades, and it always asks for a Registration Key even when updating a valid installation. After it rejected 5 different keys, three brand new and had never been used, I gave up on that approach.
What's your goal here: avoiding the 3Gb+ download for each workstation, or doing a clean install?
I've done the latter, and didn't need to use a registration key by wasting a lot of bandwidth:
- Do the local "upgrade" to upgrade the existing install to Win10
- Download the 75 Mb media tool.
- Use the tool to download the 3Gb+ media AGAIN and create new media
for a clean install (USB tab highly recommended!) and then install the clean version over the dirty, upgrade-in-place version.
Great question, Ted!
My goal is to get this done as easily as possible. Beyond that, quickness and reliability are good.
I did download the upgrade tool, then the files to burn an upgrade DVD. That's what I tried using on a few systems that I have physical access to, and every time I tried using it, one of the very first steps was to enter the Windows Key, which I did, and it said the key was invalid. The last attempt, which I think was the 4th or 5th machine, I even tried using a key that I recently purchased for building a new system, and that was rejected as invalid. So, on my scoresheet, DVD upgrade is (1) not easy, (2) not quick...although it is reliably failing.
Over the last few days I've upgraded 12 systems and what works best, for me, is to either re-enable the Win10 Upgrade icon in the system tray and use that (I had disabled the upgrade a few months back with the GWX Control Panel from the UltimateOutsider.com) or to download the Microsoft updater, which appears to do the same thing as the Win10 Upgrade utility that was auto-installed.
So all that to say that downloading for each workstation seems to be the best approach for me, so far.
And, so far with the exception of Logmein needing to be uninstalled and reinstalled, the process has been remarkably reliable and smooth, although not fast. Most of the time is spent with modifying the new Win10 install to remove/prevent access to various customization features that I don't want/need end users to have (corporate environment.) I'm seeing where using Active Directory would be a great benefit, but I don't plan on doing this long enough to justify making the change now.
Mike
Hi Mike,
there should be a button to Skip the Product Key insert during installation.
The same installation disk should permit clean install and upgrade install.
When you run the "media creation tool" follow these guidelines:
select Create installation media for another PC
choose the language, the edition and the architecture (choose 32-bit AND 64-bit)
choose to create a USB key if you know for sure that the pc's you want upgrade can boot from a USB drive
Look at the Windows 10 page for further help: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
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Gianni Turri -
Mike Copeland -
Ted Roche