Hi All
Just wondered about your recommendations / experience with any of these VFP based server side packages that enable us to leverage our exisiting knowledge and code to build simple web apps.
Basically we have a very simple app which we would like to create a browser based version of as an alternative to trying to run it as a Remote App in Terminal Services.
We like the idea of using devices in some sort of browser-based kiosk mode.
TIA.
Chris.
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What seems like 100 years ago I built a bunch of cool web prototypes with Foxweb. This is a VFP centric product. I was impressed.
The company still appears to be in business and has a free evaluation version.
FoxWeb http://www.foxweb.com/
This list's very own Thierry Nivelet's company FoxInCloud appears to have some cool tech as well. http://foxincloud.com/
Good luck, Malcolm
Hi Chris,
FoxWeb: you need to write HTML/CSS/JS, interaction with server and server-side processing
FoxInCloud: you just adapt your extent code ro run as a web application and let FoxIncloud do the above mentioned, tedious work for you. FoxInCloud Adaptation Assistant helps your adaptation process: http://foxincloud.com/download.php
Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/
Le 23/11/2018 à 13:49, Malcolm Greene a écrit :
What seems like 100 years ago I built a bunch of cool web prototypes with Foxweb. This is a VFP centric product. I was impressed.
The company still appears to be in business and has a free evaluation version.
FoxWeb http://www.foxweb.com/
This list's very own Thierry Nivelet's company FoxInCloud appears to have some cool tech as well. http://foxincloud.com/
Good luck, Malcolm
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Thanks both, I will check out FoxInCloud this evening. I think if we was to get into what it sounds like FoxWeb does we would go the whole hog and use node and learn some javascript.
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Hi Chris,
FoxWeb: you need to write HTML/CSS/JS, interaction with server and server-side processing
FoxInCloud: you just adapt your extent code ro run as a web application and let FoxIncloud do the above mentioned, tedious work for you. FoxInCloud Adaptation Assistant helps your adaptation process: http://foxincloud.com/download.php
Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/
Le 23/11/2018 à 13:49, Malcolm Greene a écrit :
What seems like 100 years ago I built a bunch of cool web prototypes with Foxweb. This is a VFP centric product. I was impressed.
The company still appears to be in business and has a free evaluation version.
FoxWeb http://www.foxweb.com/
This list's very own Thierry Nivelet's company FoxInCloud appears to have some cool tech as well. http://foxincloud.com/
Good luck, Malcolm
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Le 23/11/2018 à 15:17, Chris Davis a écrit :
Thanks both, I will check out FoxInCloud this evening. I think if we was to get into what it sounds like FoxWeb does we would go the whole hog and use node and learn some javascript.
FoxInCloud Live Tutorial is worth a visit as it provides a global view on FiC: http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/bs/
Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/
afaik AVFP is still around: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActiveVFP https://archive.codeplex.com/?p=activevfp
I've played with it using local and GoDaddy/BigRock ms web servers, but haven't used it in anger.
On 23-Nov-18 12:13 PM, Chris Davis wrote:
Hi All
Just wondered about your recommendations / experience with any of these VFP based server side packages that enable us to leverage our exisiting knowledge and code to build simple web apps.
Basically we have a very simple app which we would like to create a browser based version of as an alternative to trying to run it as a Remote App in Terminal Services.
We like the idea of using devices in some sort of browser-based kiosk mode.
TIA.
Chris.
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I suspect any package still for sale has many good features. But I used West-Wind Web Connect for years and never found a need it didn't meet. While your initial app request might be a "simple" one, some of the most complex apps I've ever built started with a "simple" request, and one success build upon the next. Before you know it, you might outgrow a simple framework. Not a problem with WWWC.
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 7:14 AM Chris Davis chrisd@actongate.co.uk wrote:
Hi All
Just wondered about your recommendations / experience with any of these VFP based server side packages that enable us to leverage our exisiting knowledge and code to build simple web apps.
Basically we have a very simple app which we would like to create a browser based version of as an alternative to trying to run it as a Remote App in Terminal Services.
We like the idea of using devices in some sort of browser-based kiosk mode.
TIA.
Chris.
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So would it be accurate(ish) to say
I would use ActiveVFP/West Wind Web Connection if I wanted to use VFP to create my Web App
And
I would use FoxInTheCloud if I wanted to use the Web to access my VFP App
?
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FoxInCloud
I would think twice about learning javascript, html, css, a js framework and have a good chance of having positive revenue streams for the next 10 years.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 9:11 AM Chris Davis chrisd@actongate.co.uk wrote:
So would it be accurate(ish) to say
I would use ActiveVFP/West Wind Web Connection if I wanted to use VFP to create my Web App
And
I would use FoxInTheCloud if I wanted to use the Web to access my VFP App
?
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Monday, 26 November 2018 08:33 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Web App without moving to far away from VFP
FoxInCloud
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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You would think twice or you would *not *think twice?
Frank.
Frank Cazabon
On 26/11/2018 11:49 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
I would think twice about learning javascript, html, css, a js framework and have a good chance of having positive revenue streams for the next 10 years.
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Nobody brought up the reality that fox technique is no longer in fashion in the digital world.
I suggest learning what the rest of the world embraces today. There are so many combinations to choose from.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:02 AM Frank Cazabon frank.cazabon@gmail.com wrote:
You would think twice or you would *not *think twice?
Frank.
Frank Cazabon
On 26/11/2018 11:49 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
I would think twice about learning javascript, html, css, a js framework and have a good chance of having positive revenue streams for the next 10 years.
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On Nov 26, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
Nobody brought up the reality that fox technique is no longer in fashion in the digital world.
Heh, if the members of this list cared about that, there wouldn’t be a list. ;-)
-- Ed Leafe
Bingo!
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 12:09 PM Ed Leafe ed@leafe.com wrote:
On Nov 26, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
Nobody brought up the reality that fox technique is no longer in fashion
in
the digital world.
Heh, if the members of this list cared about that, there wouldn’t be a list. ;-)
-- Ed Leafe
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Prior to me asking this question we had been thinking about creating a MEAN stack application, but replacing the MongoDB element of that with some node addon to work with our existing VFP data via ODBC.
So I guess creating a VFP/EAN stack 😉 Not sure how tall these stacks can be before they topple over.
I'm not sure how good the existing ODBC addons are, I've had results but mixed.
Our reason behind all of this is it would allow our existing established desktop applications to remain, and any work we do of this nature to be an extension.
Thanks everyone for the discussion around this its all good food for thought.
Chris.
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Nobody brought up the reality that fox technique is no longer in fashion in the digital world.
I suggest learning what the rest of the world embraces today. There are so many combinations to choose from.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:02 AM Frank Cazabon frank.cazabon@gmail.com wrote:
You would think twice or you would *not *think twice?
Frank.
Frank Cazabon
On 26/11/2018 11:49 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
I would think twice about learning javascript, html, css, a js framework and have a good chance of having positive revenue streams for the next 10 years.
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What has been done here is a VFP COM object that a C# solution uses to access the VFP data.
Since the data is still accessed by an actual 20+ year old code base from Clipper moved in to VFP, it isn't multi-user friendly all the time. So accessing the data with ADO and ODBC has caused index or memo corruption for us.
There's always multiple ways to get something accomplished.
May your adventure be fun puzzle solving!
Tracy
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Chris Davis Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 1:25 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: Web App without moving to far away from VFP
Prior to me asking this question we had been thinking about creating a MEAN stack application, but replacing the MongoDB element of that with some node addon to work with our existing VFP data via ODBC.
So I guess creating a VFP/EAN stack 😉 Not sure how tall these stacks can be before they topple over.
I'm not sure how good the existing ODBC addons are, I've had results but mixed.
Our reason behind all of this is it would allow our existing established desktop applications to remain, and any work we do of this nature to be an extension.
Thanks everyone for the discussion around this its all good food for thought.
Chris.
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Monday, 26 November 2018 17:59 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Web App without moving to far away from VFP
Nobody brought up the reality that fox technique is no longer in fashion in the digital world.
I suggest learning what the rest of the world embraces today. There are so many combinations to choose from.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:02 AM Frank Cazabon frank.cazabon@gmail.com wrote:
You would think twice or you would *not *think twice?
Frank.
Frank Cazabon
On 26/11/2018 11:49 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
I would think twice about learning javascript, html, css, a js framework and have a good chance of having positive revenue streams for the next 10 years.
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Sorry, I'm still confused. It sounded to me like you said learning javascript, html, css and a js framework would be a waste of time.
But I thought that's what is in demand now. So that's why I was asking what exactly you were saying.
Frank.
Frank Cazabon
On 26/11/2018 01:58 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
Nobody brought up the reality that fox technique is no longer in fashion in the digital world.
I suggest learning what the rest of the world embraces today. There are so many combinations to choose from.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:02 AM Frank Cazabon frank.cazabon@gmail.com wrote:
You would think twice or you would *not *think twice?
Frank.
Frank Cazabon
On 26/11/2018 11:49 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
I would think twice about learning javascript, html, css, a js framework and have a good chance of having positive revenue streams for the next 10 years.
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Yes, sounds like the solution was chosen before asking… like often “do like the majority”
Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
Le 26 nov. 2018 à 20:16, Frank Cazabon frank.cazabon@gmail.com a écrit :
Sorry, I'm still confused. It sounded to me like you said learning javascript, html, css and a js framework would be a waste of time.
But I thought that's what is in demand now. So that's why I was asking what exactly you were saying.
Frank.
Frank Cazabon
On 26/11/2018 01:58 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: Nobody brought up the reality that fox technique is no longer in fashion in the digital world.
I suggest learning what the rest of the world embraces today. There are so many combinations to choose from.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:02 AM Frank Cazabon frank.cazabon@gmail.com wrote:
You would think twice or you would *not *think twice?
Frank.
Frank Cazabon
On 26/11/2018 11:49 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: I would think twice about learning javascript, html, css, a js framework and have a good chance of having positive revenue streams for the next 10 years.
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FoxInCloud builds a regular web app, just like any other tech you’re thinking of, except it builds the HTML/CSS/JS from your desktop app structure, layout, events and code, based on the belief that the Web is just another display tech that should adapt to your APP’s functionalities and design, as opposed to be a brand new world requiring a complete redesign and rewrite.
Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
Le 26 nov. 2018 à 16:11, Chris Davis chrisd@actongate.co.uk a écrit :
So would it be accurate(ish) to say
I would use ActiveVFP/West Wind Web Connection if I wanted to use VFP to create my Web App
And
I would use FoxInTheCloud if I wanted to use the Web to access my VFP App
?
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Monday, 26 November 2018 08:33 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Web App without moving to far away from VFP
FoxInCloud
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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Hi Thierry,
A quick FiC related question for you; any plans to update the FiC framework to sit on top of the latest WWC framework?
--
rk
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 11:37 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Web App without moving to far away from VFP
FoxInCloud builds a regular web app, just like any other tech you’re thinking of, except it builds the HTML/CSS/JS from your desktop app structure, layout, events and code, based on the belief that the Web is just another display tech that should adapt to your APP’s functionalities and design, as opposed to be a brand new world requiring a complete redesign and rewrite.
Thierry Nivelet
Yes sure http://foxincloud.com/roadmap.php
Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
Le 26 nov. 2018 à 17:42, Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com a écrit :
Hi Thierry,
A quick FiC related question for you; any plans to update the FiC framework to sit on top of the latest WWC framework?
--
rk
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 11:37 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Web App without moving to far away from VFP
FoxInCloud builds a regular web app, just like any other tech you’re thinking of, except it builds the HTML/CSS/JS from your desktop app structure, layout, events and code, based on the belief that the Web is just another display tech that should adapt to your APP’s functionalities and design, as opposed to be a brand new world requiring a complete redesign and rewrite.
Thierry Nivelet
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Thanks. 😊 Silly follow-up question; are you evaluating going to the just release v7 instead of v6?
--
rk
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:06 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Web App without moving to far away from VFP
Yes sure http://foxincloud.com/roadmap.php
Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
Le 26 nov. 2018 à 17:42, Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com a écrit :
Hi Thierry,
A quick FiC related question for you; any plans to update the FiC framework to sit on top of the latest WWC framework?
--
rk
Sure, v7 straight
Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
Le 26 nov. 2018 à 18:20, Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com a écrit :
Thanks. 😊 Silly follow-up question; are you evaluating going to the just release v7 instead of v6?
--
rk
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:06 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Web App without moving to far away from VFP
Yes sure http://foxincloud.com/roadmap.php
Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
Le 26 nov. 2018 à 17:42, Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com a écrit :
Hi Thierry,
A quick FiC related question for you; any plans to update the FiC framework to sit on top of the latest WWC framework?
--
rk
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Thanks again. The roadmap page still says v6.
--
rk
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:21 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Web App without moving to far away from VFP
Sure, v7 straight
Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
Le 26 nov. 2018 à 18:20, Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com a écrit :
Thanks. 😊 Silly follow-up question; are you evaluating going to the just release v7 instead of v6?
--
rk
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:06 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Web App without moving to far away from VFP
Yes sure http://foxincloud.com/roadmap.php
Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
Le 26 nov. 2018 à 17:42, Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com a écrit :
Hi Thierry,
A quick FiC related question for you; any plans to update the FiC framework to sit on top of the latest WWC framework?
--
rk
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Soon updated!
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Le 26 nov. 2018 à 18:25, Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com a écrit :
Thanks again. The roadmap page still says v6.
--
rk
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:21 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Web App without moving to far away from VFP
Sure, v7 straight
Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
Le 26 nov. 2018 à 18:20, Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com a écrit :
Thanks. 😊 Silly follow-up question; are you evaluating going to the just release v7 instead of v6?
--
rk
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:06 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Web App without moving to far away from VFP
Yes sure http://foxincloud.com/roadmap.php
Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
Le 26 nov. 2018 à 17:42, Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com a écrit :
Hi Thierry,
A quick FiC related question for you; any plans to update the FiC framework to sit on top of the latest WWC framework?
--
rk
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Proofreading is a skill of mine. Just ask Rick... 😉
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-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:36 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Web App without moving to far away from VFP
Soon updated!
Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
Le 26 nov. 2018 à 18:25, Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com a écrit :
Thanks again. The roadmap page still says v6.
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