As of today, I've got 1 machine (which I backup frequently for disaster recovery reasons). I should probably buy a 2nd machine, and I'm guessing that would have Win10 by default (fresh from the start; not an upgrade) and then I could have both Win7 and Win10 in which to test things, but perhaps I should just let Windows upgrade itself to Win10 since it's free?
Decisions, decisions....what would you do? I'm guessing "just buy the 2nd machine for a better long-term plan" (due to hardware life expectancy).
tia, --Mike
On 14 January 2016 at 16:50, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
As of today, I've got 1 machine (which I backup frequently for disaster recovery reasons). I should probably buy a 2nd machine, and I'm guessing that would have Win10 by default (fresh from the start; not an upgrade) and then I could have both Win7 and Win10 in which to test things, but perhaps I should just let Windows upgrade itself to Win10 since it's free?
Try the upgrade. If you have problems there is always an option to reset the PC, which does a clean install.
On 2016-01-14 13:03, Paul Hill wrote:
On 14 January 2016 at 16:50, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
As of today, I've got 1 machine (which I backup frequently for disaster recovery reasons). I should probably buy a 2nd machine, and I'm guessing that would have Win10 by default (fresh from the start; not an upgrade) and then I could have both Win7 and Win10 in which to test things, but perhaps I should just let Windows upgrade itself to Win10 since it's free?
Try the upgrade. If you have problems there is always an option to reset the PC, which does a clean install.
Yeah, but wouldn't that mean I'd lose everything since my "clean install" when I first got the PC?
I've not tried it but I think it just reverts to the state it was before the upgrade. I used Macrium Reflect to take an image before I upgraded.
John
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On 15 Jan 2016, at 00:45, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
On 2016-01-14 13:03, Paul Hill wrote: On 14 January 2016 at 16:50, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
As of today, I've got 1 machine (which I backup frequently for disaster recovery reasons). I should probably buy a 2nd machine, and I'm guessing that would have Win10 by default (fresh from the start; not an upgrade) and then I could have both Win7 and Win10 in which to test things, but perhaps I should just let Windows upgrade itself to Win10 since it's free?
Try the upgrade. If you have problems there is always an option to reset the PC, which does a clean install.
Yeah, but wouldn't that mean I'd lose everything since my "clean install" when I first got the PC?
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On 15 January 2016 at 00:45, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
On 2016-01-14 13:03, Paul Hill wrote:
On 14 January 2016 at 16:50, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
As of today, I've got 1 machine (which I backup frequently for disaster recovery reasons). I should probably buy a 2nd machine, and I'm guessing that would have Win10 by default (fresh from the start; not an upgrade) and then I could have both Win7 and Win10 in which to test things, but perhaps I should just let Windows upgrade itself to Win10 since it's free?
Try the upgrade. If you have problems there is always an option to reset the PC, which does a clean install.
Yeah, but wouldn't that mean I'd lose everything since my "clean install" when I first got the PC?
Yes. But it gives you the option to install from scratch if the upgrade doesn't go to plan. It's not a bad idea to do a clean install every now and then to remove the junk you've accumulated.
I think that better than reinstalling Windows from time to time, you can gain a lot of time if you install it on a Virtual Machine with VirtualBox, VMWare or the like, configure it once only (drivers, software) and then take a snapshot of it, so next time you want a clean install, you just restore your original snapshot and that's it, you won days of installations and configurations. You only need to backup data, but you can backup VMs too from time to time if you like.
As a main OS you can even use Linux (I use Ubuntu), so you can use one or many VMs and don't want to think about viruses on main OS.
In example, I have 1 VM for Win7+VFP9, another with WinServer2008, another with Ubuntu Server with Oracle, and so on.
Virtualization can be a powerful ally if used the right way, and cheaper even for Home Development.
Fernando D. Bozzo
2016-01-15 11:34 GMT+01:00 Paul Hill paulroberthill@gmail.com:
On 15 January 2016 at 00:45, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
On 2016-01-14 13:03, Paul Hill wrote:
On 14 January 2016 at 16:50, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
As of today, I've got 1 machine (which I backup frequently for disaster recovery reasons). I should probably buy a 2nd machine, and I'm
guessing
that would have Win10 by default (fresh from the start; not an upgrade) and then I could have both Win7 and Win10 in which to test things, but perhaps I should just let Windows upgrade itself to Win10 since it's free?
Try the upgrade. If you have problems there is always an option to reset the PC, which does a clean install.
Yeah, but wouldn't that mean I'd lose everything since my "clean install" when I first got the PC?
Yes. But it gives you the option to install from scratch if the upgrade doesn't go to plan. It's not a bad idea to do a clean install every now and then to remove the junk you've accumulated.
-- Paul
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On 1/14/16 8:50 AM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
Decisions, decisions....what would you do? I'm guessing "just buy the 2nd machine for a better long-term plan" (due to hardware life expectancy).
"long term plan" with regard to Windows makes me LOL. :)
Paul
LOL. Yeah, long-term plan is always a challenge.
However, keeping VMs around with the last few OSes is pretty necessary if you have to support clients with a couple of different versions.
Had a bugger of a problem recently that I was struggling to repro until the client mentioned they were on WinXP!
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Paul McNett paul@mcnettware.com wrote:
On 1/14/16 8:50 AM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
Decisions, decisions....what would you do? I'm guessing "just buy the 2nd machine for a better long-term plan" (due to hardware life expectancy).
"long term plan" with regard to Windows makes me LOL. :)
Paul
[excessive quoting removed by server]
I realize VMs are a super cool thing but I've not gone that route yet, and 2 machines seem like a better risk than just having 1. Of course, a good backup is a MUST. My backups are usually only of the Development folder (which includes all customer correspondence too). Always wanted to have a backup "image" but years ago I became disenchanted with Norton Ghost as it seemed to not deliver on imaging the same thing to the new machine. Been too long to recall the details, though.
What do you folks use to safeguard your systems in case of hardware failure? Any Norton Ghost users?
tia, --Mike
On 2016-01-14 17:54, Ted Roche wrote:
LOL. Yeah, long-term plan is always a challenge.
However, keeping VMs around with the last few OSes is pretty necessary if you have to support clients with a couple of different versions.
Had a bugger of a problem recently that I was struggling to repro until the client mentioned they were on WinXP!
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Paul McNett paul@mcnettware.com wrote:
On 1/14/16 8:50 AM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
Decisions, decisions....what would you do? I'm guessing "just buy the 2nd machine for a better long-term plan" (due to hardware life expectancy).
"long term plan" with regard to Windows makes me LOL. :)
Paul
[excessive quoting removed by server]
I have used Acronis for years. I stopped updating with v10 because they ruined the user interface with the 'feature creep' so I can't find anything, but it works ok if you spend enough time to weed through all the useless garbage.
I would like to see any responses you get because I definitely will not upgrade to the new Acronis garbage user interface (just my opinion). I would like something open source that allows incremental backups so that I can make one full backup one day a week and then incremental backups the rest of the week and them move those 7 files to a folder and start a new series so I never have to go back more than 1 day and the backups are quick.
On 1/14/2016 16:43 PM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
I realize VMs are a super cool thing but I've not gone that route yet, and 2 machines seem like a better risk than just having 1. Of course, a good backup is a MUST. My backups are usually only of the Development folder (which includes all customer correspondence too). Always wanted to have a backup "image" but years ago I became disenchanted with Norton Ghost as it seemed to not deliver on imaging the same thing to the new machine. Been too long to recall the details, though.
What do you folks use to safeguard your systems in case of hardware failure? Any Norton Ghost users?
tia, --Mike
On 2016-01-14 17:54, Ted Roche wrote:
LOL. Yeah, long-term plan is always a challenge.
However, keeping VMs around with the last few OSes is pretty necessary if you have to support clients with a couple of different versions.
Had a bugger of a problem recently that I was struggling to repro until the client mentioned they were on WinXP!
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Paul McNett paul@mcnettware.com wrote:
On 1/14/16 8:50 AM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
Decisions, decisions....what would you do? I'm guessing "just buy the 2nd machine for a better long-term plan" (due to hardware life expectancy).
"long term plan" with regard to Windows makes me LOL. :)
Paul
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I use Macrium Reflect. Excellent product at a reasonable price. Free version for personal use.
John
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On 15 Jan 2016, at 00:50, Ken McGinnis kamcginnis@gmail.com wrote:
I have used Acronis for years. I stopped updating with v10 because they ruined the user interface with the 'feature creep' so I can't find anything, but it works ok if you spend enough time to weed through all the useless garbage.
I would like to see any responses you get because I definitely will not upgrade to the new Acronis garbage user interface (just my opinion). I would like something open source that allows incremental backups so that I can make one full backup one day a week and then incremental backups the rest of the week and them move those 7 files to a folder and start a new series so I never have to go back more than 1 day and the backups are quick.
On 1/14/2016 16:43 PM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: I realize VMs are a super cool thing but I've not gone that route yet, and 2 machines seem like a better risk than just having 1. Of course, a good backup is a MUST. My backups are usually only of the Development folder (which includes all customer correspondence too). Always wanted to have a backup "image" but years ago I became disenchanted with Norton Ghost as it seemed to not deliver on imaging the same thing to the new machine. Been too long to recall the details, though.
What do you folks use to safeguard your systems in case of hardware failure? Any Norton Ghost users?
tia, --Mike
On 2016-01-14 17:54, Ted Roche wrote: LOL. Yeah, long-term plan is always a challenge.
However, keeping VMs around with the last few OSes is pretty necessary if you have to support clients with a couple of different versions.
Had a bugger of a problem recently that I was struggling to repro until the client mentioned they were on WinXP!
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Paul McNett paul@mcnettware.com wrote:
On 1/14/16 8:50 AM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
Decisions, decisions....what would you do? I'm guessing "just buy the 2nd machine for a better long-term plan" (due to hardware life expectancy).
"long term plan" with regard to Windows makes me LOL. :)
Paul
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Hi
I've been looking for something to image my 2012 server, pcs and laptops for a while. I'm looking to be able to put any of the computers back to a workable state in the event of a problem. Acronis true image is the one which gets the most reviews.
I'd be interested to also hear any thoughts on a bare bones restore onto either the same computer or a different one (probably with a bigger hard drive) as my aging Acer Travelmate is probably not long for this world.
Takes ages to reinstall all the developer tools etc each time and I always miss something off.
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ken McGinnis Sent: 15 January 2016 00:50 To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] Backup image -- what are you using? (was Re: [NF] To upgrade or not (to Win10 from Win7))
I have used Acronis for years. I stopped updating with v10 because they ruined the user interface with the 'feature creep' so I can't find anything, but it works ok if you spend enough time to weed through all the useless garbage.
I would like to see any responses you get because I definitely will not upgrade to the new Acronis garbage user interface (just my opinion). I would like something open source that allows incremental backups so that I can make one full backup one day a week and then incremental backups the rest of the week and them move those 7 files to a folder and start a new series so I never have to go back more than 1 day and the backups are quick.
On 1/14/2016 16:43 PM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
I realize VMs are a super cool thing but I've not gone that route yet, and 2 machines seem like a better risk than just having 1. Of course, a good backup is a MUST. My backups are usually only of the Development folder (which includes all customer correspondence too). Always wanted to have a backup "image" but years ago I became disenchanted with Norton Ghost as it seemed to not deliver on imaging the same thing to the new machine. Been too long to recall the details, though.
What do you folks use to safeguard your systems in case of hardware failure? Any Norton Ghost users?
tia, --Mike
On 2016-01-14 17:54, Ted Roche wrote:
LOL. Yeah, long-term plan is always a challenge.
However, keeping VMs around with the last few OSes is pretty necessary if you have to support clients with a couple of different
versions.
Had a bugger of a problem recently that I was struggling to repro until the client mentioned they were on WinXP!
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Paul McNett paul@mcnettware.com wrote:
On 1/14/16 8:50 AM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
Decisions, decisions....what would you do? I'm guessing "just buy the 2nd machine for a better long-term plan" (due to hardware life expectancy).
"long term plan" with regard to Windows makes me LOL. :)
Paul
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I use the free edition of Macrium Reflect. Although I've never had cause to restore. I would be very wary of bare-bones restore onto different hardware. Yes dev tools take an eternity to install (on Windows, anyway, it tends to be a one day job for me) but really I think you're safer having everything in source control, then having all the dev tools and associated ready somewhere to throw on.
Either that or host a VM somewhere and throw more resources at that when you need 'em!
+1 for Macrium.. Excellent product
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: 15 January 2016 10:07 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Backup image -- what are you using? (was Re: [NF] To upgrade or not (to Win10 from Win7))
I use the free edition of Macrium Reflect. Although I've never had cause to restore. I would be very wary of bare-bones restore onto different hardware. Yes dev tools take an eternity to install (on Windows, anyway, it tends to be a one day job for me) but really I think you're safer having everything in source control, then having all the dev tools and associated ready somewhere to throw on.
Either that or host a VM somewhere and throw more resources at that when you need 'em!
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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On 15/01/2016 10:07, Alan Bourke wrote:
I use the free edition of Macrium Reflect. Although I've never had cause to restore. <snip>
How do you know it works then? :-)
Peter
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On Fri, 15 Jan 2016, at 12:48 PM, Peter Cushing wrote:
On 15/01/2016 10:07, Alan Bourke wrote:
I use the free edition of Macrium Reflect. Although I've never had cause to restore. <snip>
How do you know it works then? :-)
Well, I've never done a full image restore. What I do a lot though is mount the images as a drive (which Reflect lets you do, albeit read-only) and search, pull files and folders off, and so on.
I like ShadowProtect Desktop from StorageCraft.com. I was using Acronis for years on every machine in the office and family, but I find ShadowProtect faster and more reliable. It is a little more expensive, but at ~$99 a licensed machine, it is worth it to me. Never failed to restore my data drive when necessary. Simple to mount drives from backup images similar to Acronis.
Rick White Light Computing, Inc.
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-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 07:44 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: [NF] Backup image -- what are you using? (was Re: [NF] To upgrade or not (to Win10 from Win7))
I realize VMs are a super cool thing but I've not gone that route yet, and 2 machines seem like a better risk than just having 1. Of course, a good backup is a MUST. My backups are usually only of the Development folder (which includes all customer correspondence too). Always wanted to have a backup "image" but years ago I became disenchanted with Norton Ghost as it seemed to not deliver on imaging the same thing to the new machine. Been too long to recall the details, though.
What do you folks use to safeguard your systems in case of hardware failure? Any Norton Ghost users?
tia, --Mike
On 2016-01-14 17:54, Ted Roche wrote:
LOL. Yeah, long-term plan is always a challenge.
However, keeping VMs around with the last few OSes is pretty necessary if you have to support clients with a couple of different versions.
Had a bugger of a problem recently that I was struggling to repro until the client mentioned they were on WinXP!
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Paul McNett paul@mcnettware.com wrote:
On 1/14/16 8:50 AM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
Decisions, decisions....what would you do? I'm guessing "just buy the 2nd machine for a better long-term plan" (due to hardware life expectancy).
"long term plan" with regard to Windows makes me LOL. :)
Paul
[excessive quoting removed by server]
VM's are definitely the way to go. Keep all the versions of Windows around to boot up as needed. Use Linux or Mac as the host. VMWare is still the best.
Paul
On 1/14/16 2:54 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
LOL. Yeah, long-term plan is always a challenge.
However, keeping VMs around with the last few OSes is pretty necessary if you have to support clients with a couple of different versions.
Had a bugger of a problem recently that I was struggling to repro until the client mentioned they were on WinXP!
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Paul McNett paul@mcnettware.com wrote:
On 1/14/16 8:50 AM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
Decisions, decisions....what would you do? I'm guessing "just buy the 2nd machine for a better long-term plan" (due to hardware life expectancy).
"long term plan" with regard to Windows makes me LOL. :)
Paul
[excessive quoting removed by server]
On 2016-01-14 15:53, Paul McNett wrote:
On 1/14/16 8:50 AM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
Decisions, decisions....what would you do? I'm guessing "just buy the 2nd machine for a better long-term plan" (due to hardware life expectancy).
"long term plan" with regard to Windows makes me LOL. :)
Paul
lol! Hey, all of these MBSS customers are going to be using Windoze for the unforeseeable future. :-)
Claim the *FREE* upgrade first in June 2016, decide later whether to use it!
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 12:50 AM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
As of today, I've got 1 machine (which I backup frequently for disaster recovery reasons). I should probably buy a 2nd machine, and I'm guessing that would have Win10 by default (fresh from the start; not an upgrade) and then I could have both Win7 and Win10 in which to test things, but perhaps I should just let Windows upgrade itself to Win10 since it's free?
Chances are you've already got it downloaded
On 15/01/2016 14:41, Man-wai Chang wrote:
Claim the *FREE* upgrade first in June 2016, decide later whether to use it!
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 12:50 AM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
As of today, I've got 1 machine (which I backup frequently for disaster recovery reasons). I should probably buy a 2nd machine, and I'm guessing that would have Win10 by default (fresh from the start; not an upgrade) and then I could have both Win7 and Win10 in which to test things, but perhaps I should just let Windows upgrade itself to Win10 since it's free?
True! It's been fully downloaded automatically if you enabled automatic Win Update....
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:09 PM, AndyHC jarndice@gmail.com wrote:
Chances are you've already got it downloaded
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