I did a session on AI and FoxPro at the SWFox 2019 conference. I mentioned how gaming has moved AI ahead, because AI uses the same hardware. I specifically mentioned nVidia as the company that was leading that market. Didn’t thought of buying shares at that time.

— Christof

On 3. Jul 2025, at 16:53, Kurt Wendt kwendt@pakoinc.com wrote:

Interesting remark about NVidia.

Two summers ago I was at my SIGGraph conference in LA. There are a bunch of big Keynotes at the conference - as it's really a big conference. And, Jensen the NVidia CEO unveiled their new hardware in a Keynote speech. It was VERY Exciting - and AI was really the Core as the main usage of that specialized HW.

It was at THAT Time that I should have bought up some NVidia stock - but, sadly - I did NOT! Ugh...

I've had two articles on AI pop into my feeds lately and thought y'all might enjoy them:

"Measuring the Impact of Early-2025 AI on Experienced Open-Source Developer Productivity" "We conduct a randomized controlled trial (RCT) to understand how early-2025 AI tools affect the productivity of experienced open-source developers working on their own repositories. Surprisingly, we find that when developers use AI tools, they take 19% longer than without—AI makes them slower. We view this result as a snapshot of early-2025 AI capabilities in one relevant setting; as these systems continue to rapidly evolve, we plan on continuing to use this methodology to help estimate AI acceleration from AI R&D automation"

https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/

"Why Understanding AI Doesn’t Necessarily Lead People to Embrace It"

"SummarY: New research has uncovered a paradoxical relationship between AI literacy and receptivity: Individuals with lower AI literacy are more likely to embrace AI, despite perceiving it as less capable and more ethically concerning. This enthusiasm stems from a sense of “magic” associated with AI’s capabilities. Conversely, those with higher AI literacy, who understand the mechanics behind AI, tend to lose interest as the mystique fades..."

https://hbr.org/2025/07/why-understanding-ai-doesnt-necessarily-lead-people-... -- It seems like the more you understand AI, the less likely you are to use it.

On Mon, Jul 7, 2025 at 8:47 AM Kurt Wendt kwendt@pakoinc.com wrote:

Interesting. Yeah - I did remember reading about you doing an AI talk at SWFox.

Have you, since that time - done much more in the way of using AI?? Or, maybe you're using it even more?

-K

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I did a session on AI and FoxPro at the SWFox 2019 conference. I mentioned how gaming has moved AI ahead, because AI uses the same hardware. I specifically mentioned nVidia as the company that was leading that market. Didn’t thought of buying shares at that time. — Christof

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I want to present the same "request" to an AI for a new page that is requested. I'll include a mock-up of what it should look like, a schema for the data, and an expectation, or "why are we doing this".

I want to run that return set 10-20 times, starting faster, easier user action, etc., etc, etc., and see what the final return is. For me, I'd do that in multiple languages/frameworks as well, C#/Blazor, Python, framework of choice next.

I want it to do the gross text work for me. Grabbing choices made, that lead to N other forms.

On Thu, Jul 3, 2025 at 9:45 AM Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:

Excellent summary. I don't think I'll ever trust AI in the coding sphere as anything other than enhanced autocomplete\search\example engine.

I see nVidia are by some reports heading for a $5 trillion market valuation, I hope you have stock :)

-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

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Yeah RK - it happened with me when I started working here at Pako - and I began to make replies back to the forum. I believe I even started a thread specifically about that. So, you're not alone. But, I think my Blob was back in March...

-K

________________________________________ From: ProFox profox-bounces@leafe.com on behalf of Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2025 11:08 AM To: profox@leafe.com profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Thoughts on AI

Ouch...

I can't be the only one who has sent a base64 blob here...

-- rk

-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2025 10:36 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: [NF] Thoughts on AI

The problems over the last couple of days with restoring the messages that were missing weren't as simple as I imagined they would have been to solve. Getting the messages was straightforward enough (thanks to everyone who helped!), but getting them into the database was more involved than I imagined. The difficulty was the result of one post by a certain member who shall remain nameless (hint: his initials are RK!). Fortunately I got the solution by consulting with Perplexity AI, and it inspired me to write a blog post:

https://blog.leafe.com/working-with-ai/

-- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server]

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Yeah, I sent that before I read your blog on the actual root cause.

Lookout is doing this conversion automagically even when one (remembers to) set plain text mode. I shall endeavor to use <smile> or perhaps <slight smile> as Slack likes to call it instead. I cannot have it upon my conscience that I was the root cause for the Great Profox Message Debacle of '25.

--

rk

-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2025 11:35 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Thoughts on AI

On Jul 3, 2025, at 10:08, Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com wrote:

I can't be the only one who has sent a base64 blob here...

Nah, but base64 encoding is plain ASCII, so that's not a problem. It's the smiley... 😝

(Let's hope that posts OK!)

-- Ed Leafe

Great post! Most of my experience has been similar. It seems the bigger and/or more complicated the problem you throw at it at one time, the more likely it is to head off the rails. I would like to say don't delegate anything to it that you wouldn't delegate to a junior developer or contractor, but I think that is giving it too much credit. If you can delegate little pieces to it and manage the big picture on your side, it works well most of the time. But from time to time, it spits out gibberish for no good reason at all. At the very least, it has gotten my curiosity up and motivated me to work on more pet projects.

On Thu, Jul 3, 2025 at 1:54 PM Ed Leafe ed@leafe.com wrote:

On Jul 3, 2025, at 13:44, Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com wrote:

...

I cannot have it upon my conscience that I was the root cause for the

Great Profox Message Debacle of '25.

You weren't the root cause of the debacle; you were the inspiration for the blog post!

-- Ed Leafe

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So - Ed is trying to look at the Bright Side of your Debacle Mr. RK - and I guess that's a Good thing!

I passed the link to your Blog onto my IT folks here - and a couple Engineers. And, One of those Engineers got back to me, thanked me - and it now gave that person some serious Food for Thought...

-K

________________________________________ From: ProFox profox-bounces@leafe.com on behalf of Ed Leafe ed@leafe.com Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2025 2:54 PM To: ProFox Mailing List profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Thoughts on AI

On Jul 3, 2025, at 13:44, Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com wrote:

I cannot have it upon my conscience that I was the root cause for the Great Profox Message Debacle  of '25.

You weren't the root cause of the debacle; you were the inspiration for the blog post!

-- Ed Leafe

On Jul 3, 2025, at 10:44, Kurt Wendt kwendt@pakoinc.com wrote:

I'm curious. The image at the top, with all the tubes - based upon the imperfections at the tops of the tubes, and the little wisps of plastic - it HAS to be a pic of a bunch of tubes that were all 3D Printed! Am I right??

The image is one of several long horizontal images that rotate randomly when the page is shown. Refresh the page to see.

The one to which you refer were actually plastic straws that I saw at a street vendor in Barcelona. They helped me understand why straws are typically wrapped before being used!

-- Ed Leafe

On Jul 3, 2025, at 11:13, Paul H. Tarver paul@tpcqpc.com wrote:

Great blog post! I was fortunate enough a couple of years ago when my broker suggested that we get into some nVidia stock well before the 10 for 1 split. While I'm not yet willing to depend on AI, I am willing to ride the stock bubble a while longer!

The best analysis I read of the AI phenomenon is that there are many companies that are part of the "Gold Rush" to cash in on AI. Most of them will fail, but a few may do well.

Meanwhile, NVIDIA is happily selling the pickaxes and shovels to all these eager gold miners.

-- Ed Leafe

(and yes, I do have a few shares!)