I know nobody likes or trust M$, but this is a post that looks potentialy interesting for you folks. Have not looked at it because I do not do WIN development but you all do.
https://visualstudiomagazine.com/webcasts/2016/06/project-centennial-bridge-...
This is what it presents for the signup of the webinar: Project Centennial: A Bridge to the Future of Desktop Installations
At Microsoft Build 2016, Microsoft announced that the Windows 10 “Anniversary Update” will add exciting new capabilities via Project Centennial. Project Centennial will enable developers of Win32 and .NET desktop applications to convert their Classic Desktop Applications to the Universal Windows Platform, building a bridge to the Appx installer, live tiles and the option to be published in the Windows Store. In this webinar, David Tepper, Senior Program Manager at Microsoft, provides an overview of Project Centennial. You’ll also learn how this new technology applies to developing installations with InstallShield, the world’s leading Windows installation solution. (On Demand Webcast| 57 Minutes | Streaming)
VFP is dead. Forget about it. Learn a new too and move on.
Good VFP developers don't need any form of business presentation nor product/service seminars to mirage. They only need to hire someone to do it and ENJOY the transition. :)
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
I know nobody likes or trust M$, but this is a post that looks potentialy interesting for you folks. Have not looked at it because I do not do WIN development but you all do. https://visualstudiomagazine.com/... This is what it presents for the signup of the webinar: Project Centennial: A Bridge to the Future of Desktop Installations
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, at 07:07 AM, Man-wai Chang wrote:
VFP is dead. Forget about it. Learn a new too and move on.
Yeah, except many people have very, very large and perfectly working systems written in VFP (or COBOL or whatever else) where even if the customer base would fund a wholesale rewrite, it wouldn't happen in a 5 or 10 year period. Therefore containerisation and similar approaches like Centennial are an excellent solution.
VFP dead? Better not tell the guys at VFPx.
Laurie
On 26 July 2016 at 08:49, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, at 07:07 AM, Man-wai Chang wrote:
VFP is dead. Forget about it. Learn a new too and move on.
Yeah, except many people have very, very large and perfectly working systems written in VFP (or COBOL or whatever else) where even if the customer base would fund a wholesale rewrite, it wouldn't happen in a 5 or 10 year period. Therefore containerisation and similar approaches like Centennial are an excellent solution.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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Hi,
VFP Dead? On the contrary! It is live and kicking. Who seas it is dead? Koen
2016-07-26 11:11 GMT+02:00 Laurie Alvey trukker41@gmail.com:
VFP dead? Better not tell the guys at VFPx.
Laurie
On 26 July 2016 at 08:49, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, at 07:07 AM, Man-wai Chang wrote:
VFP is dead. Forget about it. Learn a new too and move on.
Yeah, except many people have very, very large and perfectly working systems written in VFP (or COBOL or whatever else) where even if the customer base would fund a wholesale rewrite, it wouldn't happen in a 5 or 10 year period. Therefore containerisation and similar approaches like Centennial are an excellent solution.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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Even if Microsoft has stopped evolutions, VFP keeps growing with third-party products that brings great additional value to VFP apps: VFPx, west-wind web connect, VFP steam, FoxInCloud and many others. These products bring more value than Microsoft could probably have brought.
BTW, FoxInCloud is a container around a VFP app, interfacing it with the Web. Code adaptations deal with, among others: - mapping VFP to HTML event models (http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/Event.tuto, http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/Keypress.tuto) - replacing synchronous modality by asynchronous call-back (http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/Modal.tuto) - reporting (http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/report.tuto) - paging large datasets (http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/pagedGrid.tuto)
Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud Give your VFP app a new life in the cloud http://foxincloud.com/
Le 26 juil. 2016 à 09:49, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm a écrit :
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, at 07:07 AM, Man-wai Chang wrote:
VFP is dead. Forget about it. Learn a new too and move on.
Yeah, except many people have very, very large and perfectly working systems written in VFP (or COBOL or whatever else) where even if the customer base would fund a wholesale rewrite, it wouldn't happen in a 5 or 10 year period. Therefore containerisation and similar approaches like Centennial are an excellent solution.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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Agreed Thierry, Although I haven't used your product in anger it shows what can be done to extend the lifetime of VFP to encompass new technologies.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: 26 July 2016 11:10 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: Can you work VFP into Win10?
Even if Microsoft has stopped evolutions, VFP keeps growing with third-party products that brings great additional value to VFP apps: VFPx, west-wind web connect, VFP steam, FoxInCloud and many others. These products bring more value than Microsoft could probably have brought.
BTW, FoxInCloud is a container around a VFP app, interfacing it with the Web. Code adaptations deal with, among others: - mapping VFP to HTML event models (http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/Event.tuto, http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/Keypress.tuto) - replacing synchronous modality by asynchronous call-back (http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/Modal.tuto) - reporting (http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/report.tuto) - paging large datasets (http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/pagedGrid.tuto)
Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud Give your VFP app a new life in the cloud http://foxincloud.com/
Le 26 juil. 2016 à 09:49, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm a écrit :
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, at 07:07 AM, Man-wai Chang wrote:
VFP is dead. Forget about it. Learn a new too and move on.
Yeah, except many people have very, very large and perfectly working systems written in VFP (or COBOL or whatever else) where even if the customer base would fund a wholesale rewrite, it wouldn't happen in a 5 or 10 year period. Therefore containerisation and similar approaches like Centennial are an excellent solution.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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Agreed Dave,
Just like Javascript would be nothing without the multiple generations of frameworks developed since 2005: Motools, Dojo, prototype, yahooUI, google web kit, jQuery … underscore, nodeJS, … angular, ember, react,...
Thierry Nivelet FoxinCloud Give your VFP app a new life in the cloud http://foxincloud.com/
Le 26 juil. 2016 à 13:11, Dave Crozier DaveC@Flexipol.co.uk a écrit :
Agreed Thierry, Although I haven't used your product in anger it shows what can be done to extend the lifetime of VFP to encompass new technologies.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: 26 July 2016 11:10 To: ProFox Email List <profox@leafe.com mailto:profox@leafe.com> Subject: Re: Can you work VFP into Win10?
Even if Microsoft has stopped evolutions, VFP keeps growing with third-party products that brings great additional value to VFP apps: VFPx, west-wind web connect, VFP steam, FoxInCloud and many others. These products bring more value than Microsoft could probably have brought.
BTW, FoxInCloud is a container around a VFP app, interfacing it with the Web. Code adaptations deal with, among others:
- mapping VFP to HTML event models (http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/Event.tuto, http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/Keypress.tuto)
- replacing synchronous modality by asynchronous call-back (http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/Modal.tuto)
- reporting (http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/report.tuto)
- paging large datasets (http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/pagedGrid.tuto)
Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud Give your VFP app a new life in the cloud http://foxincloud.com/
Le 26 juil. 2016 à 09:49, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm a écrit :
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, at 07:07 AM, Man-wai Chang wrote:
VFP is dead. Forget about it. Learn a new too and move on.
Yeah, except many people have very, very large and perfectly working systems written in VFP (or COBOL or whatever else) where even if the customer base would fund a wholesale rewrite, it wouldn't happen in a 5 or 10 year period. Therefore containerisation and similar approaches like Centennial are an excellent solution.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Dave Crozier DaveC@flexipol.co.uk wrote:
Although I haven't used your product in anger <
Hmmm... anger leads to hatred, and hatred leads to the Dark Side!
Is this another of those Anglicisms where English doesn't mean what us 'Mericans think? Or did autocorrect make one of its little jokes?
Ted, "A set of two peoples divided by a common language" as they say! It is a figure of speech here meaning that you havened used whatever it is in either a live environment or in a critical application.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: 26 July 2016 13:46 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: Can you work VFP into Win10?
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Dave Crozier DaveC@flexipol.co.uk wrote:
Although I haven't used your product in anger <
Hmmm... anger leads to hatred, and hatred leads to the Dark Side!
Is this another of those Anglicisms where English doesn't mean what us 'Mericans think? Or did autocorrect make one of its little jokes?
-- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Dave Crozier DaveC@flexipol.co.uk wrote:
Ted, "A set of two peoples divided by a common language" as they say! It is a figure of speech here meaning that you havened used whatever it is in either a live environment or in a critical application.
Cool. I learned something today!
My understanding of doing something in anger is to do something for real, not simulated, with intent and purpose. Doesn't normally equate to hostility (though it might depending on context)
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2016 10:46 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Can you work VFP into Win10?
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Dave Crozier DaveC@flexipol.co.uk wrote:
Although I haven't used your product in anger <
Hmmm... anger leads to hatred, and hatred leads to the Dark Side!
Is this another of those Anglicisms where English doesn't mean what us 'Mericans think? Or did autocorrect make one of its little jokes?
-- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com
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"VFP steam"
-- What is that? Never heard of it! Bing search turned up nothing: https://www.bing.com/search?q=What+is+VFP+Steam&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN
On 2016-07-26 06:10, Thierry Nivelet wrote:
Even if Microsoft has stopped evolutions, VFP keeps growing with third-party products that brings great additional value to VFP apps: VFPx, west-wind web connect, VFP steam, FoxInCloud and many others. These products bring more value than Microsoft could probably have brought.
BTW, FoxInCloud is a container around a VFP app, interfacing it with the Web. Code adaptations deal with, among others:
- mapping VFP to HTML event models
(http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/Event.tuto, http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/Keypress.tuto)
- replacing synchronous modality by asynchronous call-back
(http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/Modal.tuto)
- reporting (http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/report.tuto)
- paging large datasets (http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/pagedGrid.tuto)
Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud Give your VFP app a new life in the cloud http://foxincloud.com/
Le 26 juil. 2016 à 09:49, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm a écrit :
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, at 07:07 AM, Man-wai Chang wrote:
VFP is dead. Forget about it. Learn a new too and move on.
Yeah, except many people have very, very large and perfectly working systems written in VFP (or COBOL or whatever else) where even if the customer base would fund a wholesale rewrite, it wouldn't happen in a 5 or 10 year period. Therefore containerisation and similar approaches like Centennial are an excellent solution.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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http://vfpsteam.jimdo.com/cubos-din%C3%A1micos-vfp/
Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
Le 27 juil. 2016 à 03:01, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com a écrit :
"VFP steam"
-- What is that? Never heard of it! Bing search turned up nothing: https://www.bing.com/search?q=What+is+VFP+Steam&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN
On 2016-07-26 06:10, Thierry Nivelet wrote: Even if Microsoft has stopped evolutions, VFP keeps growing with third-party products that brings great additional value to VFP apps: VFPx, west-wind web connect, VFP steam, FoxInCloud and many others. These products bring more value than Microsoft could probably have brought. BTW, FoxInCloud is a container around a VFP app, interfacing it with the Web. Code adaptations deal with, among others:
- mapping VFP to HTML event models
(http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/Event.tuto, http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/Keypress.tuto)
- replacing synchronous modality by asynchronous call-back
(http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/Modal.tuto)
- reporting (http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/report.tuto)
- paging large datasets (http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/pagedGrid.tuto)
Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud Give your VFP app a new life in the cloud http://foxincloud.com/
Le 26 juil. 2016 à 09:49, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm a écrit : On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, at 07:07 AM, Man-wai Chang wrote:
VFP is dead. Forget about it. Learn a new too and move on.
Yeah, except many people have very, very large and perfectly working systems written in VFP (or COBOL or whatever else) where even if the customer base would fund a wholesale rewrite, it wouldn't happen in a 5 or 10 year period. Therefore containerisation and similar approaches like Centennial are an excellent solution. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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I'm in the middle of downsizing (painful!) so if there's anyone *in the UK* who is supporting 'heritage' systems I have available a full original set of manuals for VFP 3.0 pro and the main manuals for FPW 2.6 (also Netlib for Foxpro, but I can't see anyone wanting that!).
COBOL is widely used in mainframe-based banking and insurance systems. It would NOT die. Nobody has the nerve to touch those written problems, as there will be legal consequences if not death altering them.
Should we pray for a miracle for VFP? What if someone resurrect VFP and enhance it? :)
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
Yeah, except many people have very, very large and perfectly working systems written in VFP (or COBOL or whatever else) where even if the customer base would fund a wholesale rewrite, it wouldn't happen in a 5 or 10 year period. Therefore containerisation and similar approaches like Centennial are an excellent solution.
VFP extensibility can bring many more enhancements than modifying the core code.
Thierry Nivelet
Le 27/07/2016 à 11:32, Man-wai Chang a écrit :
COBOL is widely used in mainframe-based banking and insurance systems. It would NOT die. Nobody has the nerve to touch those written problems, as there will be legal consequences if not death altering them.
Should we pray for a miracle for VFP? What if someone resurrect VFP and enhance it? :)
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
Yeah, except many people have very, very large and perfectly working systems written in VFP (or COBOL or whatever else) where even if the customer base would fund a wholesale rewrite, it wouldn't happen in a 5 or 10 year period. Therefore containerisation and similar approaches like Centennial are an excellent solution.
Secdondary schools in Hong Kong used VFP to teach programming. I think they changed that module now.
There are ***MANY** dBase/Clipper/Foxpro programs out there serving the world including not just big corporations.
This shall be the single strongest reason to re-open the project "Visula Foxpro 10"! :)
On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:08 PM, Thierry Nivelet tnivelet@foxincloud.com wrote:
VFP extensibility can bring many more enhancements than modifying the core code.
That's a bit harsh - don't know about others but VFP brings me exceptional money, considerable time with my family (work from home mostly) and affords me a pleasant life style. If that's using a dead product then I'd recommend everyone sprint on down to the cemetery and get their fill cause it sure is sweet. As they say - VFP Rocks !!
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Man-wai Chang Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2016 4:08 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Can you work VFP into Win10?
VFP is dead. Forget about it. Learn a new too and move on.
Good VFP developers don't need any form of business presentation nor product/service seminars to mirage. They only need to hire someone to do it and ENJOY the transition. :)
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
I know nobody likes or trust M$, but this is a post that looks potentialy interesting for you folks. Have not looked at it because I do not do WIN development but you all do. https://visualstudiomagazine.com/... This is what it presents for the signup of the webinar: Project Centennial: A Bridge to the Future of Desktop Installations
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+1
On 26-Jul-16 12:19 PM, Darren wrote:
That's a bit harsh - don't know about others but VFP brings me exceptional money, considerable time with my family (work from home mostly) and affords me a pleasant life style. If that's using a dead product then I'd recommend everyone sprint on down to the cemetery and get their fill cause it sure is sweet. As they say - VFP Rocks !!
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+1 ... and will stay that way until I retire!
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ajit Abraham Sent: 26 July 2016 10:34 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: Can you work VFP into Win10?
+1
On 26-Jul-16 12:19 PM, Darren wrote:
That's a bit harsh - don't know about others but VFP brings me exceptional money, considerable time with my family (work from home mostly) and affords me a pleasant life style. If that's using a dead product then I'd recommend everyone sprint on down to the cemetery and get their fill cause it sure is sweet. As they say - VFP Rocks !!
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