No matter how long you've been hacking VFP and how good you think you are, there's always something you didn't realise. Such as the fact that FOR ... EACH works with arrays.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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No matter how long you've been hacking VFP and how good you think you are, there's always something you didn't realise. Such as the fact that FOR ... EACH works with arrays.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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Yep. Just about the time I think I’m a FoxPro expert, I discover a command I’ve never used, a procedure I’ve never tried or a shortcut I didn’t know about!
I’ve been using FoxPro since the DOS days, so exactly when will I stop feeling like an amateur? :)
Paul
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On Jul 27, 2018, at 3:43 AM, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
No matter how long you've been hacking VFP and how good you think you are, there's always something you didn't realise. Such as the fact that FOR ... EACH works with arrays.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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See, you just have to read the whole VFP helpfile, from Start to End, and presto: you'll find a lot of helpful commands and functions you always wanted to have but never knew they existed!
And the best thing is: This helpfile will never change again! No more lousy updates, you learn once and use it forver.
Bummer: This you could have done 14 years ago already.
:)
wOOdy
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ProFox profox-bounces@leafe.com Im Auftrag von Paul H. Tarver Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Juli 2018 14:02 An: profox@leafe.com Betreff: Re: Every day a school day.
Yep. Just about the time I think I’m a FoxPro expert, I discover a command I’ve never used, a procedure I’ve never tried or a shortcut I didn’t know about!
I’ve been using FoxPro since the DOS days, so exactly when will I stop feeling like an amateur? :)
Paul
I should have known it was it was all my fault.
Are you sure you aren't my wife pretending to be wOOdy?
Paul H. Tarver
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Jürgen Wondzinski Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 7:37 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: AW: Every day a school day.
See, you just have to read the whole VFP helpfile, from Start to End, and presto: you'll find a lot of helpful commands and functions you always wanted to have but never knew they existed!
And the best thing is: This helpfile will never change again! No more lousy updates, you learn once and use it forver.
Bummer: This you could have done 14 years ago already.
:)
wOOdy
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ProFox profox-bounces@leafe.com Im Auftrag von Paul H. Tarver Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Juli 2018 14:02 An: profox@leafe.com Betreff: Re: Every day a school day.
Yep. Just about the time I think I’m a FoxPro expert, I discover a command I’ve never used, a procedure I’ve never tried or a shortcut I didn’t know about!
I’ve been using FoxPro since the DOS days, so exactly when will I stop feeling like an amateur? :)
Paul
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Paul H. Tarver paul@tpcqpc.com wrote:
I’ve been using FoxPro since the DOS days, so exactly when will I stop feeling like an amateur? :)
"Amateur" comes from Latin roots, "from the heart" as in "doing it for the love of it" vs. getting paid to do it.
It has come to mean the opposite of "professional" which I think is a shame: it would be good to do things in a workmanlike, ethical manner, while it provides joy to your heart.
I hope you never lose that.
During the development of the "Designing and Implementing Distributed Applications with Microsoft® Visual FoxPro® 6.0" exam #155, a very well-known developer on the Fox team reviewed the questions we had developed, and there was an argument over whether CTOBIN() was an actual function in VFP, because they had never heard of it.
It never stops.
Fifteen years out from my last serious, full-time development project in FoxPro, I've worked in a couple of different languages, and yet when I come back to Fox I see some of the functions in a new light, and can find different ways to use them. The art of craftsmanship is recognizing you can always improve.
Ted,
Great comments!
It seems the older I get, the more interested I become in the concept of the craftsmanship of programming. In fact, a good while back, I ran across this quote and I've kept near me ever since:
"One of the things about being a craftsman is that you learn how to work, and you develop a certain amount of pride, in fact a good deal of pride in the way you work." -- Robert C. Martin
Come to think of it, I think my interest in craftsmanship began about the time the same time I joined the ProFoxTech list. It's easy to get better when you are surrounded by mentors. Actually I think it has always been that way with the FoxPro community since the beginning. I've never felt the same level of comradery and support with other programming groups.
I don't want to get mushy here, but a big thanks to Ed for providing this forum and to everyone who participates and makes me smile, think, learn and strive to get better every day.
Cudos, y'all!
Paul H. Tarver
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 12:02 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Every day a school day.
On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Paul H. Tarver paul@tpcqpc.com wrote:
I’ve been using FoxPro since the DOS days, so exactly when will I stop feeling like an amateur? :)
"Amateur" comes from Latin roots, "from the heart" as in "doing it for the love of it" vs. getting paid to do it.
It has come to mean the opposite of "professional" which I think is a shame: it would be good to do things in a workmanlike, ethical manner, while it provides joy to your heart.
I hope you never lose that.
During the development of the "Designing and Implementing Distributed Applications with Microsoft® Visual FoxPro® 6.0" exam #155, a very well-known developer on the Fox team reviewed the questions we had developed, and there was an argument over whether CTOBIN() was an actual function in VFP, because they had never heard of it.
It never stops.
Fifteen years out from my last serious, full-time development project in FoxPro, I've worked in a couple of different languages, and yet when I come back to Fox I see some of the functions in a new light, and can find different ways to use them. The art of craftsmanship is recognizing you can always improve.
LOL! Guess I should also learn to type or spell or something:
KUDOS!
Paul
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul H. Tarver Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 1:49 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: Every day a school day.
Ted,
Great comments!
It seems the older I get, the more interested I become in the concept of the craftsmanship of programming. In fact, a good while back, I ran across this quote and I've kept near me ever since:
"One of the things about being a craftsman is that you learn how to work, and you develop a certain amount of pride, in fact a good deal of pride in the way you work." -- Robert C. Martin
Come to think of it, I think my interest in craftsmanship began about the time the same time I joined the ProFoxTech list. It's easy to get better when you are surrounded by mentors. Actually I think it has always been that way with the FoxPro community since the beginning. I've never felt the same level of comradery and support with other programming groups.
I don't want to get mushy here, but a big thanks to Ed for providing this forum and to everyone who participates and makes me smile, think, learn and strive to get better every day.
Cudos, y'all!
Paul H. Tarver
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 12:02 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Every day a school day.
On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Paul H. Tarver paul@tpcqpc.com wrote:
I’ve been using FoxPro since the DOS days, so exactly when will I stop feeling like an amateur? :)
"Amateur" comes from Latin roots, "from the heart" as in "doing it for the love of it" vs. getting paid to do it.
It has come to mean the opposite of "professional" which I think is a shame: it would be good to do things in a workmanlike, ethical manner, while it provides joy to your heart.
I hope you never lose that.
During the development of the "Designing and Implementing Distributed Applications with Microsoft® Visual FoxPro® 6.0" exam #155, a very well-known developer on the Fox team reviewed the questions we had developed, and there was an argument over whether CTOBIN() was an actual function in VFP, because they had never heard of it.
It never stops.
Fifteen years out from my last serious, full-time development project in FoxPro, I've worked in a couple of different languages, and yet when I come back to Fox I see some of the functions in a new light, and can find different ways to use them. The art of craftsmanship is recognizing you can always improve.
The Help File was open sourced and put on VFPX.org, so...it does change. :)
If I ever knew FOR EACH worked w/ arrays, I'd forgotten it.
Eric
On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Paul H. Tarver paul@tpcqpc.com wrote:
LOL! Guess I should also learn to type or spell or something:
KUDOS!
Paul
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul H. Tarver Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 1:49 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: Every day a school day.
Ted,
Great comments!
It seems the older I get, the more interested I become in the concept of the craftsmanship of programming. In fact, a good while back, I ran across this quote and I've kept near me ever since:
"One of the things about being a craftsman is that you learn how to work, and you develop a certain amount of pride, in fact a good deal of pride in the way you work." -- Robert C. Martin
Come to think of it, I think my interest in craftsmanship began about the time the same time I joined the ProFoxTech list. It's easy to get better when you are surrounded by mentors. Actually I think it has always been that way with the FoxPro community since the beginning. I've never felt the same level of comradery and support with other programming groups.
I don't want to get mushy here, but a big thanks to Ed for providing this forum and to everyone who participates and makes me smile, think, learn and strive to get better every day.
Cudos, y'all!
Paul H. Tarver
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 12:02 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Every day a school day.
On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Paul H. Tarver paul@tpcqpc.com wrote:
I’ve been using FoxPro since the DOS days, so exactly when will I stop
feeling like an amateur? :)
"Amateur" comes from Latin roots, "from the heart" as in "doing it for the love of it" vs. getting paid to do it.
It has come to mean the opposite of "professional" which I think is a shame: it would be good to do things in a workmanlike, ethical manner, while it provides joy to your heart.
I hope you never lose that.
During the development of the "Designing and Implementing Distributed Applications with Microsoft® Visual FoxPro® 6.0" exam #155, a very well-known developer on the Fox team reviewed the questions we had developed, and there was an argument over whether CTOBIN() was an actual function in VFP, because they had never heard of it.
It never stops.
Fifteen years out from my last serious, full-time development project in FoxPro, I've worked in a couple of different languages, and yet when I come back to Fox I see some of the functions in a new light, and can find different ways to use them. The art of craftsmanship is recognizing you can always improve.
-- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com
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Hopefully Never!!
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox profox-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Paul H. Tarver Sent: 27 July 2018 13:02 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: Every day a school day.
Yep. Just about the time I think I'm a FoxPro expert, I discover a command I've never used, a procedure I've never tried or a shortcut I didn't know about!
I've been using FoxPro since the DOS days, so exactly when will I stop feeling like an amateur? :)
Paul
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 27, 2018, at 3:43 AM, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
No matter how long you've been hacking VFP and how good you think you are, there's always something you didn't realise. Such as the fact that FOR ... EACH works with arrays.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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On 2018-07-27 04:43, Alan Bourke wrote:
No matter how long you've been hacking VFP and how good you think you are, there's always something you didn't realise. Such as the fact that FOR ... EACH works with arrays.
I pretty much only use it with arrays. What else would you use it for??? Collections I guess?
Yes, FOR..EACH is normally used with collections, that's whay the addition of the "FOXOBJECT" keyword, to treat them different than COM objects (which are the default expected objects for FOR..EACH)
2018-07-31 6:57 GMT+02:00 mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com:
On 2018-07-27 04:43, Alan Bourke wrote:
No matter how long you've been hacking VFP and how good you think you are, there's always something you didn't realise. Such as the fact that FOR ... EACH works with arrays.
I pretty much only use it with arrays. What else would you use it for??? Collections I guess?
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2018, at 5:57 AM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
I pretty much only use it with arrays. What else would you use it for??? Collections I guess?
I only use it for collections, due to the fact that I avoid arrays if possible.
On 31/07/2018 10:49, Alan Bourke wrote:
I only use it for collections, due to the fact that I avoid arrays if possible.
When we were learning arrays at college using pascal, one of the students used to call his arrays 'hiphip' which looked good on the printouts. :-)
Peter
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 5:53 AM, Peter Cushing pcushing@whisperingsmith.com wrote:
When we were learning arrays at college using pascal, one of the students used to call his arrays 'hiphip' which looked good on the printouts. :-)
hiphip... array?
*groan*
On 2018-07-31 05:49, Alan Bourke wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018, at 5:57 AM, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
I pretty much only use it with arrays. What else would you use it for??? Collections I guess?
I only use it for collections, due to the fact that I avoid arrays if possible.
I only use FOR EACH with arrays on functions like AFIELDS where it automatically creates arrays. The only time I ever use arrays other than those scenarios is where I just use it for a SUM query:
select sum(MyValue) FROM MyTable into array laSum
return nvl(laSum[1],0)
Stuff like that.
It is great with collections. Been using it for 15 years in C# forever. It makes sense with typed data because of intellisense opening up all of the members of the class.
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On 2018-07-27 04:43, Alan Bourke wrote:
No matter how long you've been hacking VFP and how good you think you are, there's always something you didn't realise. Such as the fact that FOR ... EACH works with arrays.
I pretty much only use it with arrays. What else would you use it for??? Collections I guess?
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