I've been an advocate for frameworks since I read the original Codebook book, sitting in a parking lot in Cambridge (our fair city), Massachusetts.
Imagine starting an application and not having to worry about how to get the menu working (Help, About, Copy/Cut/Paste, Print settings) and getting basic dialogs for things like managing reports, managing state between multiple non-modal forms, a rational (usually!) set of strategies for data handling, locking, conflict resolution, primary key generation, relational integrity, grids on tabbed pageframes, etc.
I think frameworks are a great tool for fast startups, well-documented base classes, and handy utilities. Please feel free to disagree.
In the 90's I was the manager for a group of developers and we worked as "experts" with clients with pre-existing apps, or designed and developed apps on our own. As such we got a lot of exposure to most of the frameworks. Drew Speedie (RIP!) started MaxFrame, now "Professional" while working as tech editor on Hacker's Guide, and I was an early and eager beta-tester, also shipping one of the first client-server MaxFrame apps. We worked with Visual Extend and with Mere Mortals and others. Sadly, I never got to work with FoxExpress, although I have the greatest of respect for Mike and Toni's knowledge and skills.
So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)?
__ Built my own
__ Whatever the client runs
__ Codebook
__ COMCodebook
__ MaxFrame Professional
__ Visual Express
__ Visual Extend
__ Mere Mortals
__ VFP Foundation Classes
__ Visual ProMatrix
__ Mere Mortals
__ Other (please specify)
__ All of the Above
Built my own. Couldn't afford the commercial ones and no client was willing to pay.
Laurie
On 4 November 2016 at 14:29, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
I've been an advocate for frameworks since I read the original Codebook book, sitting in a parking lot in Cambridge (our fair city), Massachusetts.
Imagine starting an application and not having to worry about how to get the menu working (Help, About, Copy/Cut/Paste, Print settings) and getting basic dialogs for things like managing reports, managing state between multiple non-modal forms, a rational (usually!) set of strategies for data handling, locking, conflict resolution, primary key generation, relational integrity, grids on tabbed pageframes, etc.
I think frameworks are a great tool for fast startups, well-documented base classes, and handy utilities. Please feel free to disagree.
In the 90's I was the manager for a group of developers and we worked as "experts" with clients with pre-existing apps, or designed and developed apps on our own. As such we got a lot of exposure to most of the frameworks. Drew Speedie (RIP!) started MaxFrame, now "Professional" while working as tech editor on Hacker's Guide, and I was an early and eager beta-tester, also shipping one of the first client-server MaxFrame apps. We worked with Visual Extend and with Mere Mortals and others. Sadly, I never got to work with FoxExpress, although I have the greatest of respect for Mike and Toni's knowledge and skills.
So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)?
__ Built my own
__ Whatever the client runs
__ Codebook
__ COMCodebook
__ MaxFrame Professional
__ Visual Express
__ Visual Extend
__ Mere Mortals
__ VFP Foundation Classes
__ Visual ProMatrix
__ Mere Mortals
__ Other (please specify)
__ All of the Above
-- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com
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On Nov 4, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Laurie Alvey trukker41@gmail.com wrote:
Built my own. Couldn't afford the commercial ones and no client was willing to pay.
Codebook was (still is) free.
-- Ed Leafe
Thanks Ed, didn't know that.
Laurie
On 5 November 2016 at 13:21, Edward Leafe ed@leafe.com wrote:
On Nov 4, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Laurie Alvey trukker41@gmail.com wrote:
Built my own. Couldn't afford the commercial ones and no client was
willing
to pay.
Codebook was (still is) free.
-- Ed Leafe
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Me too.
-Lew Schwartz
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Laurie Alvey trukker41@gmail.com wrote:
Built my own. Couldn't afford the commercial ones and no client was willing to pay.
Laurie
On 4 November 2016 at 14:29, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
I've been an advocate for frameworks since I read the original Codebook book, sitting in a parking lot in Cambridge (our fair city), Massachusetts.
Imagine starting an application and not having to worry about how to get the menu working (Help, About, Copy/Cut/Paste, Print settings) and getting basic dialogs for things like managing reports, managing state between multiple non-modal forms, a rational (usually!) set of strategies for data handling, locking, conflict resolution, primary key generation, relational integrity, grids on tabbed pageframes, etc.
I think frameworks are a great tool for fast startups, well-documented base classes, and handy utilities. Please feel free to disagree.
In the 90's I was the manager for a group of developers and we worked as "experts" with clients with pre-existing apps, or designed and developed apps on our own. As such we got a lot of exposure to most of the frameworks. Drew Speedie (RIP!) started MaxFrame, now "Professional" while working as tech editor on Hacker's Guide, and I was an early and eager beta-tester, also shipping one of the first client-server MaxFrame apps. We worked with Visual Extend and with Mere Mortals and others. Sadly, I never got to work with FoxExpress, although I have the greatest of respect for Mike and Toni's knowledge and skills.
So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)?
__ Built my own
__ Whatever the client runs
__ Codebook
__ COMCodebook
__ MaxFrame Professional
__ Visual Express
__ Visual Extend
__ Mere Mortals
__ VFP Foundation Classes
__ Visual ProMatrix
__ Mere Mortals
__ Other (please specify)
__ All of the Above
-- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Ted - You must have a Lot of extra time on your hands - what with creating all these Polls!
Myself - never really worked within Frameworks. They just weren't used on the various jobs I worked at. I did work on this one system - where they guy had created Classes - and I used his existing classes to create new screens. But, that's about it...
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 10:30 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
I've been an advocate for frameworks since I read the original Codebook book, sitting in a parking lot in Cambridge (our fair city), Massachusetts.
Imagine starting an application and not having to worry about how to get the menu working (Help, About, Copy/Cut/Paste, Print settings) and getting basic dialogs for things like managing reports, managing state between multiple non-modal forms, a rational (usually!) set of strategies for data handling, locking, conflict resolution, primary key generation, relational integrity, grids on tabbed pageframes, etc.
I think frameworks are a great tool for fast startups, well-documented base classes, and handy utilities. Please feel free to disagree.
In the 90's I was the manager for a group of developers and we worked as "experts" with clients with pre-existing apps, or designed and developed apps on our own. As such we got a lot of exposure to most of the frameworks. Drew Speedie (RIP!) started MaxFrame, now "Professional" while working as tech editor on Hacker's Guide, and I was an early and eager beta-tester, also shipping one of the first client-server MaxFrame apps. We worked with Visual Extend and with Mere Mortals and others. Sadly, I never got to work with FoxExpress, although I have the greatest of respect for Mike and Toni's knowledge and skills.
So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)?
__ Built my own
__ Whatever the client runs
__ Codebook
__ COMCodebook
__ MaxFrame Professional
__ Visual Express
__ Visual Extend
__ Mere Mortals
__ VFP Foundation Classes
__ Visual ProMatrix
__ Mere Mortals
__ Other (please specify)
__ All of the Above
-- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com
[excessive quoting removed by server]
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:
Ted - You must have a Lot of extra time on your hands - what with creating all these Polls!
I type fast. And it's not like I haven't thought about this stuff for 25 years.
And my commute averages around zero minutes.
Myself - never really worked within Frameworks. They just weren't used on the various jobs I worked at. I did work on this one system - where they guy had created Classes - and I used his existing classes to create new screens. But, that's about it...
That's the general consensus, it seems.
Hey Ted - I hear ya - as I can also type fast. Learned touch-typing back in my Jr. year in high school - and it's a skill I have kept using ever since way back then. Also - glad to know I'm within the avg. re:Frameworks usage!
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
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On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:
Ted - You must have a Lot of extra time on your hands - what with creating all these Polls!
I type fast. And it's not like I haven't thought about this stuff for 25 years.
And my commute averages around zero minutes.
Myself - never really worked within Frameworks. They just weren't used on the various jobs I worked at. I did work on this one system - where they guy had created Classes - and I used his existing classes to create new screens. But, that's about it...
That's the general consensus, it seems.
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Frameworks are ok but only when you want to do the things that the framework allows.
I also find that a set of classes, well written and tested are the best way to generate an application and they are easily updateable/modified using either a bae class update or using subclassing.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt Sent: 07 November 2016 15:25 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
Hey Ted - I hear ya - as I can also type fast. Learned touch-typing back in my Jr. year in high school - and it's a skill I have kept using ever since way back then. Also - glad to know I'm within the avg. re:Frameworks usage!
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
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On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:
Ted - You must have a Lot of extra time on your hands - what with creating all these Polls!
I type fast. And it's not like I haven't thought about this stuff for 25 years.
And my commute averages around zero minutes.
Myself - never really worked within Frameworks. They just weren't used on the various jobs I worked at. I did work on this one system - where they guy had created Classes - and I used his existing classes to create new screens. But, that's about it...
That's the general consensus, it seems.
[excessive quoting removed by server]
+1
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Dave Crozier DaveC@flexipol.co.uk wrote:
Frameworks are ok but only when you want to do the things that the framework allows.
I also find that a set of classes, well written and tested are the best way to generate an application and they are easily updateable/modified using either a bae class update or using subclassing.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt Sent: 07 November 2016 15:25 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
Hey Ted - I hear ya - as I can also type fast. Learned touch-typing back in my Jr. year in high school - and it's a skill I have kept using ever since way back then. Also - glad to know I'm within the avg. re:Frameworks usage!
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 3:31 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:
Ted - You must have a Lot of extra time on your hands - what with
creating all these Polls!
I type fast. And it's not like I haven't thought about this stuff for 25 years.
And my commute averages around zero minutes.
Myself - never really worked within Frameworks. They just weren't used
on the various jobs I worked at. I did work on this one system - where they guy had created Classes - and I used his existing classes to create new screens. But, that's about it...
That's the general consensus, it seems.
[excessive quoting removed by server]
++1
-----Mensaje original----- De: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] En nombre de Jean Laeremans Enviado el: lunes, 07 de noviembre de 2016 16:57 Para: ProFox Email List Asunto: Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
+1
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Dave Crozier DaveC@flexipol.co.uk wrote:
Frameworks are ok but only when you want to do the things that the framework allows.
I also find that a set of classes, well written and tested are the best way to generate an application and they are easily updateable/modified using either a bae class update or using subclassing.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt Sent: 07 November 2016 15:25 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
Hey Ted - I hear ya - as I can also type fast. Learned touch-typing back in my Jr. year in high school - and it's a skill I have kept using ever since way back then. Also - glad to know I'm within the avg. re:Frameworks usage!
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 3:31 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:
Ted - You must have a Lot of extra time on your hands - what with
creating all these Polls!
I type fast. And it's not like I haven't thought about this stuff for 25 years.
And my commute averages around zero minutes.
Myself - never really worked within Frameworks. They just weren't used
on the various jobs I worked at. I did work on this one system - where
they
guy had created Classes - and I used his existing classes to create new screens. But, that's about it...
That's the general consensus, it seems.
[excessive quoting removed by server]
+1
John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Jean Laeremans Sent: 07 November 2016 15:57 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
+1
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Dave Crozier DaveC@flexipol.co.uk wrote:
Frameworks are ok but only when you want to do the things that the framework allows.
I also find that a set of classes, well written and tested are the best way to generate an application and they are easily updateable/modified using either a bae class update or using
subclassing.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt
Wendt
Sent: 07 November 2016 15:25 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
Hey Ted - I hear ya - as I can also type fast. Learned touch-typing back in my Jr. year in high school - and it's a skill I have kept using ever since way back then. Also - glad to know I'm within the avg. re:Frameworks usage!
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 3:31 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:
Ted - You must have a Lot of extra time on your hands - what with
creating all these Polls!
I type fast. And it's not like I haven't thought about this stuff for 25 years.
And my commute averages around zero minutes.
Myself - never really worked within Frameworks. They just weren't used
on the various jobs I worked at. I did work on this one system - where they guy had created Classes - and I used his existing classes to create new screens. But, that's about it...
That's the general consensus, it seems.
[excessive quoting removed by server]
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Dave Crozier DaveC@flexipol.co.uk wrote:
Frameworks are ok but only when you want to do the things that the framework allows.
What was it you wanted to do that the framework wouldn't?
I also find that a set of classes, well written and tested are the best way to generate an application and they are easily updateable/modified using either a bae class update or using subclassing.
Pretty much my definition of a framework.
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Dave Crozier DaveC@flexipol.co.uk wrote:
I also find that a set of classes, well written and tested are the best way to generate an application and they are easily updateable/modified using either a bae class update or using subclassing.
Isn't that what a framework is?
Build my own set of custom classes (not worthy of calling a 'framework' ) but works for all my in-house projects.
Spend lot of time building a Data layer on the premise that I will change the backend to mysql or mssql from vfp tables at some time in the future.
Sadly, that is not going to happen, as the the 'frontend' for the users has changed to browsers and mobile.
Currently experimenting on a free utility build by Dicky Suryadi (dotnetify.net) where I can control the frontend browser with C# code from the backend - instead of messing with too much of frontend javascript or the traditional post/get requests. This utility cleverly uses SignalR and knockout.js to achieve its results and there is no need to know the workings of either technology (in most cases) when working with dotnet.
Ajit Abraham
On 07-Nov-16 6:25 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Hey Ted - I hear ya - as I can also type fast. Learned touch-typing back in my Jr. year in high school - and it's a skill I have kept using ever since way back then. Also - glad to know I'm within the avg. re:Frameworks usage!
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 3:31 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:
Ted - You must have a Lot of extra time on your hands - what with creating all these Polls!
I type fast. And it's not like I haven't thought about this stuff for 25 years.
And my commute averages around zero minutes.
Myself - never really worked within Frameworks. They just weren't used on the various jobs I worked at. I did work on this one system - where they guy had created Classes - and I used his existing classes to create new screens. But, that's about it...
That's the general consensus, it seems.
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Build Your Own Framework with Visual FoxPro Ken Chazotte Hentzenwerke Publishing
Fantastic book, helps me a lot
Jose Enrique Llopis www.multilinkcrm.com
-----Mensaje original----- De: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] En nombre de Ajit Abraham Enviado el: lunes, 07 de noviembre de 2016 18:00 Para: profox@leafe.com Asunto: Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
Build my own set of custom classes (not worthy of calling a 'framework' ) but works for all my in-house projects.
Spend lot of time building a Data layer on the premise that I will change the backend to mysql or mssql from vfp tables at some time in the future.
Sadly, that is not going to happen, as the the 'frontend' for the users has changed to browsers and mobile.
Currently experimenting on a free utility build by Dicky Suryadi (dotnetify.net) where I can control the frontend browser with C# code from the backend - instead of messing with too much of frontend javascript or the traditional post/get requests. This utility cleverly uses SignalR and knockout.js to achieve its results and there is no need to know the workings of either technology (in most cases) when working with dotnet.
Ajit Abraham
On 07-Nov-16 6:25 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Hey Ted - I hear ya - as I can also type fast. Learned touch-typing back
in my Jr. year in high school - and it's a skill I have kept using ever since way back then. Also - glad to know I'm within the avg. re:Frameworks usage!
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
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Roche
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 3:31 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com
wrote:
Ted - You must have a Lot of extra time on your hands - what with
creating all these Polls!
I type fast. And it's not like I haven't thought about this stuff for 25
years.
And my commute averages around zero minutes.
Myself - never really worked within Frameworks. They just weren't used on
the various jobs I worked at. I did work on this one system - where they guy had created Classes - and I used his existing classes to create new screens. But, that's about it...
That's the general consensus, it seems.
[excessive quoting removed by server]
I've done some work with Codebook, but by far I've done the most work with the West-Wind Web Connection framework. I've even worked some of the classes into my desktop applications. Light weight framework that just clicked with the way I thought.
I've had many many clients buy that framework for the projects that I've worked on.
-Kevin
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So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)?
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Ted,
Fox Express is my preferred framework. Grokking this framework is a great educational experience.
I end up on a lot of VMP projects, so I know it's a popular framework, probably the most popular VFP framework out there. I think of it as a hybrid framework, a mix of RAD and OO. To me this comes off a bit of "Floor Wax/Dessert Topping", except for one important feature -- it works.
Bill Anderson
On Friday, November 4, 2016, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
I've been an advocate for frameworks since I read the original Codebook book, sitting in a parking lot in Cambridge (our fair city), Massachusetts.
Imagine starting an application and not having to worry about how to get the menu working (Help, About, Copy/Cut/Paste, Print settings) and getting basic dialogs for things like managing reports, managing state between multiple non-modal forms, a rational (usually!) set of strategies for data handling, locking, conflict resolution, primary key generation, relational integrity, grids on tabbed pageframes, etc.
I think frameworks are a great tool for fast startups, well-documented base classes, and handy utilities. Please feel free to disagree.
In the 90's I was the manager for a group of developers and we worked as "experts" with clients with pre-existing apps, or designed and developed apps on our own. As such we got a lot of exposure to most of the frameworks. Drew Speedie (RIP!) started MaxFrame, now "Professional" while working as tech editor on Hacker's Guide, and I was an early and eager beta-tester, also shipping one of the first client-server MaxFrame apps. We worked with Visual Extend and with Mere Mortals and others. Sadly, I never got to work with FoxExpress, although I have the greatest of respect for Mike and Toni's knowledge and skills.
So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)?
__ Built my own
__ Whatever the client runs
__ Codebook
__ COMCodebook
__ MaxFrame Professional
__ Visual Express
__ Visual Extend
__ Mere Mortals
__ VFP Foundation Classes
__ Visual ProMatrix
__ Mere Mortals
__ Other (please specify)
__ All of the Above
-- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Actually, it is just a very simple one, so simple that I dunno whether it's a framework or not. :)
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)?
_x_ Built my own
Ted,
I taught a lot of classes on development and I often built simple frameworks in the course to demonstrate the power of OOP (and of frameworks). Over time, this led to the development of a fairly useful framework that I would use for projects. But I also used a few of the others you mentioned for various projects (usually when they were adopted before I became involved.)
My key guideline was that it was almost always more effective to use a framework than not (unless you used a framework that required you to do things in a way you didn't want to do them and ended up with a quagmire....)
Now that I am using C#, I tend to use the CODE Framework that Markus Egger/EPS has published (for free.) I really like that he has developed it taking into account many of the objections that we in the VFP community had when framework discussions were big.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth...
Fletcher
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-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 7:30 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
I've been an advocate for frameworks since I read the original Codebook book, sitting in a parking lot in Cambridge (our fair city), Massachusetts.
Imagine starting an application and not having to worry about how to get the menu working (Help, About, Copy/Cut/Paste, Print settings) and getting basic dialogs for things like managing reports, managing state between multiple non-modal forms, a rational (usually!) set of strategies for data handling, locking, conflict resolution, primary key generation, relational integrity, grids on tabbed pageframes, etc.
I think frameworks are a great tool for fast startups, well-documented base classes, and handy utilities. Please feel free to disagree.
In the 90's I was the manager for a group of developers and we worked as "experts" with clients with pre-existing apps, or designed and developed apps on our own. As such we got a lot of exposure to most of the frameworks. Drew Speedie (RIP!) started MaxFrame, now "Professional" while working as tech editor on Hacker's Guide, and I was an early and eager beta-tester, also shipping one of the first client-server MaxFrame apps. We worked with Visual Extend and with Mere Mortals and others. Sadly, I never got to work with FoxExpress, although I have the greatest of respect for Mike and Toni's knowledge and skills.
So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)?
__ Built my own
__ Whatever the client runs
__ Codebook
__ COMCodebook
__ MaxFrame Professional
__ Visual Express
__ Visual Extend
__ Mere Mortals
__ VFP Foundation Classes
__ Visual ProMatrix
__ Mere Mortals
__ Other (please specify)
__ All of the Above
-- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com
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