Oh and Freephone as well if you need to chat... just remember the time diff!

Dave

-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Dave Crozier Sent: 29 January 2016 14:45 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] VS2015

Al, Take a look here: http://saveintheusa.com/

We get all our MSDN Renewals from here

Dave

-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Pollard Sent: 29 January 2016 14:38 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: [NF] VS2015

Hi guys. Just wondered if the upgrade to VS 2015 from VS2013 is available in the USA. Over here in Europe it seems we can only buy the whole VS2015 or an upgrade that included MSDN. I don't want MSDN and I don't see why I should pay the whole lot when I have been on VS for years. So can an upgrade be had without MSDN ? Al

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This seems to be all I can find from my uk supplier too. Seems 2013 - 2015 upgrade is not available. Ok what other choice is there. I want something with the clout of c#, not java or scripting. Al

-----Original Message-----

Have a look at this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31796243/has-microsoft-published-any-info -on-license-upgrades-from-visual-studio-2013-no

Apparently possible, but very well hidden, like trying to log out of Facebook.

If it was not for competitors pointing VFP's death to clients I would agree. It can't be beat for ease and speed. Al

-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: 29 January 2016 16:14 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] VS2015

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Allen Pollard profox@gatwicksoftware.com wrote:

This seems to be all I can find from my uk supplier too. Seems 2013 - 2015 upgrade is not available. Ok what other choice is there. I want something with the clout of c#, not java or scripting.

I hear FoxPro's pretty good...

I got the impression you could use that if you were making free stuff. But for commercial no. Is that correct or not? 5 users is ok as its only me. Al

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On 29 January 2016 at 14:48, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:

Or just use the community edition which AFAIK is fully-featured.

It is indeed. Limited to 5 users though.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Allen Pollard profox@gatwicksoftware.com wrote:

I got the impression you could use that if you were making free stuff. But for commercial no. Is that correct or not? 5 users is ok as its only me.---------------------

Here is the rules for Community. You look good.

https://www.visualstudio.com/support/legal/mt171547

IANAL. Sorry. Not sure if UK rules are different either.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Allen Pollard profox@gatwicksoftware.com wrote:

Thanks Steve This looks good. What is the definition of Organisation though. I am one person so the individual seems to be fine. But I own a company. Does that still count as Individual, or Organisation? Al

-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: 29 January 2016 16:18 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] VS2015

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Allen Pollard <profox@gatwicksoftware.com

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I got the impression you could use that if you were making free stuff.

But

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for commercial no. Is that correct or not? 5 users is ok as its only me.---------------------

Here is the rules for Community. You look good.

https://www.visualstudio.com/support/legal/mt171547

-- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN

901.246-0159 cell

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On 29 January 2016 at 15:29, Allen Pollard profox@gatwicksoftware.com wrote:

Thanks Steve This looks good. What is the definition of Organisation though. I am one person so the individual seems to be fine. But I own a company. Does that still count as Individual, or Organisation?

In non-enterprise organizations, up to five users can use Visual Studio Community. In enterprise organizations (meaning those with >250 PCs or >$1 Million US Dollars in annual revenue), no use is permitted beyond the open source, academic research, and classroom learning environment scenarios described above.

https://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs (scroll to the bottom)

If you employ more than 5 programmers they want you to buy a traditional copy.

If your company internally uses enterprise versions of software then they want you to buy the traditional copies.

For you it is good to go by yourself for your clients.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Allen Pollard profox@gatwicksoftware.com wrote:

It's still as clear as mud. 5 users can use VS Community. Yes but for what. Paid for? Doesn't make it clear to me. Only one that does make it clear is individuals. Hhmm on the details it says up to 5 can develop and test. No mention of sell. So it looks like individuals can and companies cant. Al

-----Original Message-----

In non-enterprise organizations, up to five users can use Visual Studio Community. In enterprise organizations (meaning those with >250 PCs or >$1 Million US Dollars in annual revenue), no use is permitted beyond the open source, academic research, and classroom learning environment scenarios described above.

https://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs (scroll to the bottom)

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