I felt that I had to put [NF] in the subject line, because (spoiler alert!) there is no mention of Fox in these results. Nor any xbase language. Nor Xojo. Nor Servoy. Nor any of the other technologies trying to lure Fox developers out of their shells.
https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019
-- Ed Leafe
On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 4:05 PM Ed Leafe ed@leafe.com wrote:
I felt that I had to put [NF] in the subject line, because (spoiler alert!) there is no mention of Fox in these results. Nor any xbase language. Nor Xojo. Nor Servoy. Nor any of the other technologies trying to lure Fox developers out of their shells.
... but Python did quite well!
Dne 10.4.2019 v 22:05 Ed Leafe napsal(a):
I felt that I had to put [NF] in the subject line, because (spoiler alert!) there is no mention of Fox in these results. Nor any xbase language. Nor Xojo. Nor Servoy. Nor any of the other technologies trying to lure Fox developers out of their shells.
Maybe are we too busy?
https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019
-- Ed Leafe
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I resemble too busy....
Paul H. Tarver
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Jan Bucek Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 3:11 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] StackOverflow Developer Survey Results
Dne 10.4.2019 v 22:05 Ed Leafe napsal(a):
I felt that I had to put [NF] in the subject line, because (spoiler
alert!) there is no mention of Fox in these results. Nor any xbase language. Nor Xojo. Nor Servoy. Nor any of the other technologies trying to lure Fox developers out of their shells.
Maybe are we too busy?
https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019
-- Ed Leafe
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On Wed, 10 Apr 2019, at 9:06 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
I felt that I had to put [NF] in the subject line, because (spoiler alert!) there is no mention of Fox in these results. Nor any xbase language. Nor Xojo. Nor Servoy. Nor any of the other technologies trying to lure Fox developers out of their shells.
True, however Xojo and Servoy are RAD development platforms as opposed to the languages on the SO survey, which are all pure general-purpose languages.
In the case of Servoy, you will be doing the actual programming part in Javascript and the front end will be browser-based and utilising HTML5, Angular, Boostrap and other things.
Some other things that struck me were:
* How Ruby On Rails is now 42% 'dreaded' * How 'loved' .NET Core is * Why the hell are Clojure developers in such demand? * The 33% of developers who don't unit test
I think I found one of the big reasons Foxpro didn't do well on the survey:
From the Survey: "About three-fourths of professional developers who took our survey are younger than 35." From Wikipedia: "Visual Foxpro was derived from FoxPro (originally known as FoxBASE) which was developed by Fox Software beginning in 1984."
Soooo, apparently our favorite language is actually OLDER than most of the respondents to the survey. So we can honestly say we were all programming the Fox before most of these whippersnappers were even a gleam in their momma's eye.
PS: I also learned I'm in the rarified air of old professional programmers. Woohoo or Dammit (depends on the day)!
Paul H. Tarver
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 3:06 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: [NF] StackOverflow Developer Survey Results
I felt that I had to put [NF] in the subject line, because (spoiler alert!) there is no mention of Fox in these results. Nor any xbase language. Nor Xojo. Nor Servoy. Nor any of the other technologies trying to lure Fox developers out of their shells.
https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019
-- Ed Leafe
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At 08:52 2019-04-11, "Paul H. Tarver" paul@tpcqpc.com wrote:
I think I found one of the big reasons Foxpro didn't do well on the survey:
From the Survey: "About three-fourths of professional developers whotook our survey are younger than 35."
Sample bias. We see this in rec.arts.sf-written when someone posts about someone's list of the top 100 (or whatever) sf books. Often, the author of that list is a young person who does not know about older classics.
From Wikipedia: "Visual Foxpro was derived from FoxPro (originallyknown as FoxBASE) which was developed by Fox Software beginning in 1984."
Soooo, apparently our favorite language is actually OLDER than most of the respondents to the survey. So we can honestly say we were all programming the Fox before most of these whippersnappers were even a gleam in their momma's eye.
Or father's. "Luke (or whatever), I am not your father."
PS: I also learned I'm in the rarified air of old professional programmers. Woohoo or Dammit (depends on the day)!
Why? You can do both every day.
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Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
On Apr 11, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Paul H. Tarver paul@tpcqpc.com wrote:
I think I found one of the big reasons Foxpro didn't do well on the survey:
From the Survey: "About three-fourths of professional developers who took our survey are younger than 35." From Wikipedia: "Visual Foxpro was derived from FoxPro (originally known as FoxBASE) which was developed by Fox Software beginning in 1984."
Soooo, apparently our favorite language is actually OLDER than most of the respondents to the survey. So we can honestly say we were all programming the Fox before most of these whippersnappers were even a gleam in their momma's eye.
Python was first released in 1991, making it just 7 years younger than FoxPro.
I don't think that the date a language first appeared is the relevant criterion. Instead, I think the most critical thing would be the date of the most *recent* release of the language.
Python 3.7.3 was released 25 March, 2019. Visual FoxPro 9 Service Pack 2 was released on 16 October, 2007.
-- Ed Leafe
True. But in my defense, my tongue was fully in my cheek when I was referring to those young whipper snappers who need to get off my lawn! Lol
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 11, 2019, at 10:32 PM, Ed Leafe ed@leafe.com wrote:
On Apr 11, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Paul H. Tarver paul@tpcqpc.com wrote:
I think I found one of the big reasons Foxpro didn't do well on the survey:
From the Survey: "About three-fourths of professional developers who took our survey are younger than 35." From Wikipedia: "Visual Foxpro was derived from FoxPro (originally known as FoxBASE) which was developed by Fox Software beginning in 1984."
Soooo, apparently our favorite language is actually OLDER than most of the respondents to the survey. So we can honestly say we were all programming the Fox before most of these whippersnappers were even a gleam in their momma's eye.
Python was first released in 1991, making it just 7 years younger than FoxPro.
I don't think that the date a language first appeared is the relevant criterion. Instead, I think the most critical thing would be the date of the most *recent* release of the language.
Python 3.7.3 was released 25 March, 2019. Visual FoxPro 9 Service Pack 2 was released on 16 October, 2007.
-- Ed Leafe
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Check out the FoxPro Syntax Highlighting extension for VS Code (Visual Studio Code). Just search for "FoxPro" in the Extensions panel inside VS Code. It's now in the Marketplace for easy install.
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=NewDataSystems.foxpro
This extensions also has several Snippets that generate code when you type a snippet keyword. Look in the "Snippets" folder and you can learn how it works, and it's really easy to add your owns snippet templates once you see the required pattern.
*Matt Slay*, President Jordan Machine Co. 355 Clow Lane PO Box 170339 Birmingham, AL 35217 Ph: 205-849-5050 Fx: 205-849-5075 mattslay@jordanmachine.com mailto:mattslay@jordanmachine.com http://www.JordanMachine.com
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Thank you Matt,
I had looked for something, but haven't had time to try to figure out how this might be done. I appreciate that you have done the work for us!
Tracy
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Matt Slay Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 12:54 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: FoxPro Syntax Highlighting in VS Code...
Check out the FoxPro Syntax Highlighting extension for VS Code (Visual Studio Code). Just search for "FoxPro" in the Extensions panel inside VS Code. It's now in the Marketplace for easy install.
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=NewDataSystems.foxpro
This extensions also has several Snippets that generate code when you type a snippet keyword. Look in the "Snippets" folder and you can learn how it works, and it's really easy to add your owns snippet templates once you see the required pattern.
*Matt Slay*, President Jordan Machine Co. 355 Clow Lane PO Box 170339 Birmingham, AL 35217 Ph: 205-849-5050 Fx: 205-849-5075 mattslay@jordanmachine.com mailto:mattslay@jordanmachine.com http://www.JordanMachine.com
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I like it! Thanks, Matt.
Jim
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 1:15 PM Tracy Pearson tracy@powerchurch.com wrote:
Thank you Matt,
I had looked for something, but haven't had time to try to figure out how this might be done. I appreciate that you have done the work for us!
Tracy
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Matt Slay Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 12:54 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: FoxPro Syntax Highlighting in VS Code...
Check out the FoxPro Syntax Highlighting extension for VS Code (Visual Studio Code). Just search for "FoxPro" in the Extensions panel inside VS Code. It's now in the Marketplace for easy install.
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=NewDataSystems.foxpro
This extensions also has several Snippets that generate code when you type a snippet keyword. Look in the "Snippets" folder and you can learn how it works, and it's really easy to add your owns snippet templates once you see the required pattern.
*Matt Slay*, President Jordan Machine Co. 355 Clow Lane PO Box 170339 Birmingham, AL 35217 Ph: 205-849-5050 Fx: 205-849-5075 mattslay@jordanmachine.com mailto:mattslay@jordanmachine.com http://www.JordanMachine.com
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At 21:11 2019-04-11, "Paul H. Tarver" paul@tpcqpc.com wrote:
True. But in my defense, my tongue was fully in my cheek when I was referring to those young whipper snappers who need to get off my lawn! Lol
Softie! They do need to get off lawns.
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Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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