Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win<Next>" ???
The comments I'm hearing suggest that it is really Windows 10.2 😊. There is a problem in that it will only work with CPUs that are less than 3 years old. (the technical reasons are more complex - far too difficult for an old man like me!)
John
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Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win<Next>" ???
On 06/28/21 10:15 AM, John Weller wrote:
The comments I'm hearing suggest that it is really Windows 10.2 😊. There is a problem in that it will only work with CPUs that are less than 3 years old. (the technical reasons are more complex - far too difficult for an old man like me!)
The technical reasons are easy: Ka-ching! Mo Money, Mo Money, MO money!
I hear you Mike! I too was SHOCKED at the recent news mention of an 11 version - since I last heard nothing would exist beyond 10 - with only Sub-versions! Hmmm...
-Kurt (Yeah - watch out - I'm back!)
On 6/28/2021 7:05 AM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win<Next>" ???
My interpretation of what I've heard so far is that MS has ended support for running Windows itself on 32 bit hardware. The 32 bit sub-systems that support applications themselves is not going away any time soon. So VFP Is still dead but no deader than it's been since it went EOL back in 2015? But as usual, slathering on the FUD is always a higher priority than clarity for MS... 😊
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Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win<Next>" ???
-- Michael J. Babcock, MCP Fox/VFP dev since 1997 Developer of FabNet estimating software - mbsoftwaresolutions.com
Of course we will have that anxiety, assuming that people can/will upgrade. And I'm not sure that it is an upgrade to be honest, it just seems like a new shell on top of the OS.
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On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 7:05 AM MB Software Solutions, LLC < mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:
Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win<Next>" ???
-- Michael J. Babcock, MCP Fox/VFP dev since 1997 Developer of FabNet estimating software - mbsoftwaresolutions.com
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Two things:
First, "Version Number" is an imaginary marketing construct which is just the name of whatever same old stuff they are going to sell. When MS was pitching "Windows 95" Bill Gates appeared during the telecast and said that this was the latest, newest, most-bug-free, fastest version of windows ever invented. And, he continued, in three years he would be back to say THAT version was the latest, newest, most secure, fastest version of windows ever invented. He said the silent part out loud. In '95. Still true.
Microsoft has been shipping "Feature Updates" every six months (except they never ship on schedule!) which involve downloading an entire 2 or 3 gigabytes of a full windows installer, and doing a side-by-side installation of the old windows and the new windows, migrating all your "stuff" over, and then asking to delete the "old" windows after some period of time.
These have all been new windows installs, with new features, new bugs, and removed and disabled features -- tiles, Live Tiles, no tiles, wait, tiles are back, etc. Version 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4 and so on.
Second, you should always plan on Visual FoxPro no longer working. Microsoft will drag Win32 and 32-bit OLE and OBDC and all the acronyms along for as long as they have to, and then drop it like a hot potato. There's a LOT of legacy software out there, and there are business reasons why they support Win32, invisible to me and you. At some point those reasons will go away, or the profit-loss calculation will change, and we will be kicked to the curb, like Front Page and Visual J++ and InterDev.
No longer supporting Win32 means saving money to MS. At some point, they will pull the plug.
Bonus Postscript: MS says that there may have been a failure to communicate on the new version:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-11-microsoft-apologizes-for-compatibil...
On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 10:06 AM MB Software Solutions, LLC < mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:
Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win<Next>" ???
-- Michael J. Babcock, MCP Fox/VFP dev since 1997 Developer of FabNet estimating software - mbsoftwaresolutions.com
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Or port to Angualr, React, Vue, etc.
All of that potential porting revenue you have missed out on.
On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 9:05 AM MB Software Solutions, LLC < mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:
Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win<Next>" ???
-- Michael J. Babcock, MCP Fox/VFP dev since 1997 Developer of FabNet estimating software - mbsoftwaresolutions.com
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On Jun 28, 2021, at 15:18, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
Or port to Angualr, React, Vue, etc.
All of that potential porting revenue you have missed out on.
You said what I've been thinking for the past 20 years.
Maintaining an app that's working fine and doing what the client needs is one thing. Growing an app as a client's business grows is another.
I had a ton of fun working in VFP for many years. But when the writing on the wall was too big to ignore, I moved on, and I've had a ton of fun in my new community. And yeah, it hasn't hurt my bank account, either! ;-)
-- Ed Leafe
On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, at 9:18 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
Or port to Angualr, React, Vue, etc.
All of that potential porting revenue you have missed out on.
VFP shoots itself in the foot a bit with this, as it continues to work just fine in many scenarios and customers are reluctant to re-engineer something that still works even though it's patently obvious why they should.
On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, at 3:05 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win<Next>" ???
It looks like effectively a large service pack, the UI has differences but the underlying architecture is the same. So I would bet the house that VFP will continue to work fine.
Windows 11 also requires a hardware security feature called TPM, and I doubt very much that many commodity desktop boxen from Dell and the like will have that feature. So I don't see Windows 11 being a feature of the corporate desktop for quite a while, as many companies have only just refreshed hardware for Windows 10.
The commodity desktop boxen that my day job buys have these already on board as we use them for BitLocker. I'd expect more that custom built equipment in households doesn't tho. Might have the option but the chip/card may be missing. I've already read (and spoken to an engineer) about a version that forgoes the TPM chip.
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On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 1:15 AM Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, at 3:05 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win<Next>" ???
It looks like effectively a large service pack, the UI has differences but the underlying architecture is the same. So I would bet the house that VFP will continue to work fine.
Windows 11 also requires a hardware security feature called TPM, and I doubt very much that many commodity desktop boxen from Dell and the like will have that feature. So I don't see Windows 11 being a feature of the corporate desktop for quite a while, as many companies have only just refreshed hardware for Windows 10.
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This TPM - isn't it a chip based thing in Intel machines for security purposes? Sounds familiar from my time at Northrop Grumman...
-Kurt
On 6/29/2021 1:15 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, at 3:05 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win<Next>" ???
It looks like effectively a large service pack, the UI has differences but the underlying architecture is the same. So I would bet the house that VFP will continue to work fine.
Windows 11 also requires a hardware security feature called TPM, and I doubt very much that many commodity desktop boxen from Dell and the like will have that feature. So I don't see Windows 11 being a feature of the corporate desktop for quite a while, as many companies have only just refreshed hardware for Windows 10.
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Yes, Trusted Platform Module.
Recent motherboards support firmware-based TPM (fTPM). You only need to enable it in the BIOS to install Win 11.
I forgot whether it's CPU firmware or chipset firmware. :)
On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 10:28 AM Kurt at VR-FX vrfx@optonline.net wrote:
This TPM - isn't it a chip based thing in Intel machines for security purposes? Sounds familiar from my time at Northrop Grumman...
Got a VM up and running with the current build of Windows 11, and everything VFP appears to work as per Windows 10. There are fairly hefty changes to many elements of the Windows UI. Ribbon-style menus appear to be gone, and context menus are significantly different. I'm sure they've dicked around a lot with the location and appearance of Windows configuration screens but really these days doesn't everyone just type 'network' or whatever into the search box?
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