To remove the upgrade nagging screen -

https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

Ajit Abraham Kurt@VRFX wrote:

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So - I'm here on my laptop - and, as usual lately - as I boot up - I get the Dumb Ass Win10 Nag pop-up!

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Well, expiration has become a moot point - yesterday I found my Win7 HP laptop displaying a screen saying "Installing Windows 10 Update - Do not switch off your PC". I had NOT clicked accept. This morning (!) the installation was complete. I could have declined to accept the ms licence, but in view of their amazingly arrogant behaviour I wasn't sure I wouldn't lose everything. I declined all the snooping and new default app options and now have to find out what does and doesn't work on my Win10 laptop. Words fail me - which is quite unusual!

Hi Andy:

Sorry for the news. I've deactivated Windows Updates a year ago on my virtual machines, so for now I've not this problem. Let's see next days.

Regards.-

2016-05-23 11:44 GMT+02:00 AndyHC andy@hawthorncottage.com:

Well, expiration has become a moot point - yesterday I found my Win7 HP laptop displaying a screen saying "Installing Windows 10 Update - Do not switch off your PC". I had NOT clicked accept. This morning (!) the installation was complete. I could have declined to accept the ms licence, but in view of their amazingly arrogant behaviour I wasn't sure I wouldn't lose everything. I declined all the snooping and new default app options and now have to find out what does and doesn't work on my Win10 laptop. Words fail me - which is quite unusual!

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Here is a product I downloaded and installed on my Windows 7 to remove the Windows 10 upgrade warning and block it completely from installing itself. It's called GWX Control Panel http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

Philip Borkholder

On 5/23/2016 2:00 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:

Andy - that IS Abysmal news indeed! To say M$ has become Arrogant is almost putting it lightly. Oh well, at this point - nothing to do but move forwards...

On my Win8.1 laptop it keeps nagging about the Win10 update - and, up till now - I continue to just ignore the Nag - although, in the end - that IS the machine I will eventually update!

Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst

Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com

-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of AndyHC Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 5:45 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Win10 Free Upgrade Expiration???

Well, expiration has become a moot point - yesterday I found my Win7 HP laptop displaying a screen saying "Installing Windows 10 Update - Do not switch off your PC". I had NOT clicked accept. This morning (!) the installation was complete. I could have declined to accept the ms licence, but in view of their amazingly arrogant behaviour I wasn't sure I wouldn't lose everything. I declined all the snooping and new default app options and now have to find out what does and doesn't work on my Win10 laptop. Words fail me - which is quite unusual!

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On 2016-05-26 15:40, Stephen Russell wrote:

This isn't the same Balmer windows anymore.

Thank God...or M$'s new leadership or whoever you choose. Too bad they didn't fire Balmer years ago.

+1 Been using it since last January (I think). Works well, so far!

Mike

Philip Borkholder wrote:

Here is a product I downloaded and installed on my Windows 7 to remove the Windows 10 upgrade warning and block it completely from installing itself. It's called GWX Control Panel http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

Philip Borkholder

On 5/23/2016 2:00 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:

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Andy - that IS Abysmal news indeed! To say M$ has become Arrogant is almost putting it lightly. Oh well, at this point - nothing to do but move forwards...

On my Win8.1 laptop it keeps nagging about the Win10 update - and, up till now - I continue to just ignore the Nag - although, in the end - that IS the machine I will eventually update!

Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst

Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com

-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of AndyHC Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 5:45 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Win10 Free Upgrade Expiration???

Well, expiration has become a moot point - yesterday I found my Win7 HP laptop displaying a screen saying "Installing Windows 10 Update - Do not switch off your PC". I had NOT clicked accept. This morning (!) the installation was complete. I could have declined to accept the ms licence, but in view of their amazingly arrogant behaviour I wasn't sure I wouldn't lose everything. I declined all the snooping and new default app options and now have to find out what does and doesn't work on my Win10 laptop. Words fail me - which is quite unusual!

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Kurt your company should have some sort of license agreement with M$ at that count of machines. In our situation we are allowed to switch to the LATEST version at any time on anything because our maintenance agreement(s) all point to paying today for the most current version. Same with our servers. Now server licenses could change for SQL or Exchange that are all based on CPU count and ram but you are talking desktops.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:

Hey Mike - thanks for the input. Yes, for your client w/250+ users - at a per license cost - that will be A LOT for them to handle. So, I can understand their desire to do the free upgrade. But, as the old adage goes

• you get what you pay for. Thanks for that Date of final free upgrade. Now

at least I know I have a little time to make up my mind.

Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst

Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com

-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Mike Copeland Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 9:03 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Win10 Free Upgrade Expiration???

No direct experience, just have helped a few clients downgrade to 7 after they were hijacked to 10. I didn't care for 10, I don't see the benefit of 10 (to the user, I see a lot of benefit to MSoft) and at this point I'm willing to pay $130 for a copy of Win 10 'someday' if I ever decide it's the thing to do.

My understanding is that July 31, 2016 is the last day to upgrade for free.

I have a large client, over 250 machines, who wants to upgrade simply due to the economics of not having to purchase 250+ licenses in the future. They reason that "our users are young, they'll adapt." Probably true.

Hope this helps.

Mike Copeland

Kurt@VRFX wrote:

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So - I'm here on my laptop - and, as usual lately - as I boot up - I get the Dumb Ass Win10 Nag pop-up!

As such - it Begs the question. When does it expire? At which point I have to Pay - which I would rather not.

Although - am also curious as to how Good Win10 is. I know there has been a Lot of Shit talk about Win10. But, since Evil M$ decided to use the Whole World as Beta testers. I suspect that by now most of the Bugs have been worked out.

So - what say you all? Go for it and Upgrade - or should I say F That and just stick with what I have (Win 8.1 on my laptop & Win7 Pro on my Desktop)! Hell - I stuck with WinXP for years on my old Desktop - and things Win2000 Pro for Quite some time - before finally upgrading. As such - I have no problem holding off on this Win10 stuff if its Not dependable.

L8r, -K-

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I get the nag update screen too. Win7Pro here. I'll probably just keep it at Win7Pro though and get a new machine with Win 10 Pro so I can adequately test my apps in both 7 & 10. (No, I don't use VMWare and have multiple M$ licenses with which to apply to said VM.)

VM always sounded like something cool/great but I never got around to implementing it.

On 2016-05-04 21:02, Mike Copeland wrote:

No direct experience, just have helped a few clients downgrade to 7 after they were hijacked to 10. I didn't care for 10, I don't see the benefit of 10 (to the user, I see a lot of benefit to MSoft) and at this point I'm willing to pay $130 for a copy of Win 10 'someday' if I ever decide it's the thing to do.

My understanding is that July 31, 2016 is the last day to upgrade for free.

I have a large client, over 250 machines, who wants to upgrade simply due to the economics of not having to purchase 250+ licenses in the future. They reason that "our users are young, they'll adapt." Probably true.

Hope this helps.

Mike Copeland

Kurt@VRFX wrote:

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So - I'm here on my laptop - and, as usual lately - as I boot up - I get the Dumb Ass Win10 Nag pop-up!

As such - it Begs the question. When does it expire? At which point I have to Pay - which I would rather not.

Although - am also curious as to how Good Win10 is. I know there has been a Lot of Shit talk about Win10. But, since Evil M$ decided to use the Whole World as Beta testers. I suspect that by now most of the Bugs have been worked out.

So - what say you all? Go for it and Upgrade - or should I say F That and just stick with what I have (Win 8.1 on my laptop & Win7 Pro on my Desktop)! Hell - I stuck with WinXP for years on my old Desktop - and things Win2000 Pro for Quite some time - before finally upgrading. As such - I have no problem holding off on this Win10 stuff if its Not dependable.

L8r, -K-

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On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:

10 likes a good CPU. If you have that it just hums along.

Interesting that you say that. My first attempt at Win10 was to upgrade a tablet-laptop thingie with an Atom Z-something processor and 2 Gb RAM, 32 Gb SSD. Runs fine. Mostly a VFP platform matching a clients, but basic browsing and fullscreen streaming video (standard def) runs without stuttering. Of course, I'm not about to run SQL Server or Exchange on it, but I wonder if there's some self-tuning for lesser devices...

The initial real bug and showstopper when I first tried it was that Outlook barfed and just wouldn't send emails. However that has now been rectified. Luckily I was able to roll back the installation which had been done by a couple of customers before the 30 days were up (I had spent 30 days wrongly nagging my web hosting company thinking they had a problem!!!) but as said, the rollback took a long time (6-8 hours) and I was lucky as they had both run for 29 days!!!

I have it installed at home and here at work and it runs fine with no major gotchas and it is definitely going to be adopted by many people so you need to get a grip of it. Must say that the interface is much better than 8.0 and even 8.1 for mouse based work. Can't comment on the tablet edition though as of yet.

Personally I don't like the "tiles" presentation but it works and at least it is intuitive most of the time (unlike 8.0/8.1)

Dave

-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt Sent: 05 May 2016 16:43 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Win10 Free Upgrade Expiration???

Hey Paul - thanks for that input. Glad to see someone out there likes it. And, I have heard SOME good comments about it in the past here on the forum. So - I will most likely upgrade on at least one of my 2 machines.

Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst

Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com

-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hill Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 8:37 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Win10 Free Upgrade Expiration???

On 5 May 2016 at 00:45, Kurt@VRFX vrfx@optonline.net wrote:

So - what say you all? Go for it and Upgrade - or should I say F That and just stick with what I have (Win 8.1 on my laptop & Win7 Pro on my Desktop)!

Upgrade, if you don't like it there is an option to roll back. It will take some time though.

Personally, I like it.

-- Paul

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I have 3 machines running Win 10 and have personally upgraded 3 others. Only 1 caused any bother, it crashed when the owner was saying No to an upgrade (spite?). It had Win 7 and was then upgraded to Win 10 as part of the recovery process. I partitioned the hard drive using Partition Master which then trashed the MBR - unfortunately I had omitted to take a backup, mea maxima culpa! When I did a clean install of Win 10 it ran perfectly so I think there was something inherently wrong with that PC or its OS installation. Overall I am pleased with it and am recommending people to upgrade.

Regards

John Weller

Hey Paul - thanks for that input. Glad to see someone out there likes it.

And,

I have heard SOME good comments about it in the past here on the forum. So - I will most likely upgrade on at least one of my 2 machines.

Hey Ted,

You make some interesting points - since, with me - 3D Modeling is definitely an issue. And, if Win10 crapped out either my desktop or laptop in regards to my ability to do 3D CG - that would certainly suck! Will keep this all in mind.

And - Stephen - thanks for your input (including offline input - sorry I didn't reply to that one yet). But, yes - my desktop has the more powerful processor. Although, its probably my laptop that I will experiment with and do the Upgrade before doing it to my desktop. Especially since my desktop also controls my hi-end 3D Printer - and I certainly would NOT want my 3DP FUBARed!

Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst

Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com

-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 9:09 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Win10 Free Upgrade Expiration???

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Kurt@VRFX vrfx@optonline.net wrote:

Although - am also curious as to how Good Win10 is. I know there has been a Lot of Shit talk about Win10. But, since Evil M$ decided to use the Whole World as Beta testers. I suspect that by now most of the Bugs have been worked out.

It's not like you have a lot of choice. (Unless you choose to go to Linux, as I have.)

Microsoft is going to move everything to Win10, and eventually expire and stop supporting Win 7, 8, 8.1. Win10 upgrade is "free" if you don't count your time, bandwidth and frustration at finding where they've hidden everything this time, and they claim they're going to slipstream updates from here, a la OS X, but we'll see how long that promise lasts...

For me, it's a matter of keeping up with clients and being able to provide the support they need. As best as I can tell, there aren't any VFP showstoppers in W10 and it's alot more stable since the Oct/Nov updates.

I've got a couple of machines here for testing client issues, validating web sites on IE/Edge, and watching Hulu :). No issues for me. Gamers or folks using intense apps like 3-D modeling or CAD might know of some problems, but works okay as a consumer machine.

-- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com

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At 19:46 2016-05-05, Vince Teachout teachv@taconic.net wrote:

Well, here's what I'm doing. This (My Daily Bread) computer is staying at 8.1. I have several magical warding programs to ensure this is so.

I am the same way with 7. I wish I were still with XP. "Upgrades" can be such a losing proposition.

I just some work for a company I did work for years ago. The accounting computer got "upgraded" to Windows 7. This partially broke their Access 97 Order Entry app. The accounting lady is not pleased.

Specifically, a delete with a subquery now throws an undocumented error -1601. In case line wrapping messes it, that is negative 1601. This is not the exact query, but it is the form that fails: delete from InvoiceHeader where InvoiceId in (select InvoiceId from HistoricalInvoiceHeader) The intent is to delete anything in the current invoice table that is in the historical.

An Access GUI delete query that maps to a delete with a subquery also fails in the same way.

If you have any idea what to do about this, please let me know.

My older boot-disk-fail-on-startup Win 7 computer will get a new SSD drive and will then go to Win X.

My recently late Mom's laptop will become my "Let's Try Linux!" computer.

My recently late Mom also had a laptop. I do not know what I am going to do with it.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko