https://www.bitsondisk.com/writing/2021/retire-the-csv/
It's so simple they say.
Riiiiiiiight....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:25 AM Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.bitsondisk.com/writing/2021/retire-the-csv/
It's so simple they say.
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He's right. And it won't happen.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:43 AM Garrett Fitzgerald sarekofvulcan@gmail.com wrote:
Riiiiiiiight....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:25 AM Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.bitsondisk.com/writing/2021/retire-the-csv/
It's so simple they say.
-- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN
901.246-0159 cell
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However, if the data is stable and never changes in format then using CSV is perfectly acceptable as well as quick.
I must admit I have never liked using double quotes or single quotes as terminating characters for strings and prefer to use the pipe symbol | as a prefix/suffix for strings as it should never be present in operator generated data.
As they say, if it ain't broken then don't fix it ........ but if it has never worked then generate a better solution in the first place!
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He's right. And it won't happen.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:43 AM Garrett Fitzgerald sarekofvulcan@gmail.com wrote:
Riiiiiiiight....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:25 AM Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.bitsondisk.com/writing/2021/retire-the-csv/
It's so simple they say.
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You wont get rid of the CSV anytime soon. It reminds me of the University Professor who declared that email was old-hat and 'dead' and so sent out the schedule for lectures on social media. Half of the students didn’t arrive because they didn’t get it.
If it aint broke, don’t fix it. And CSV, for all its limitations, aint broke.
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox profox-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Dave Crozier Sent: Tuesday, 24 August 2021 5:58 PM To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Retire the CSV?
However, if the data is stable and never changes in format then using CSV is perfectly acceptable as well as quick.
I must admit I have never liked using double quotes or single quotes as terminating characters for strings and prefer to use the pipe symbol | as a prefix/suffix for strings as it should never be present in operator generated data.
As they say, if it ain't broken then don't fix it ........ but if it has never worked then generate a better solution in the first place!
Dave Crozier Software Development Manager Flexipol Packaging Ltd.
Mob: 07967 671080
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He's right. And it won't happen.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:43 AM Garrett Fitzgerald sarekofvulcan@gmail.com wrote:
Riiiiiiiight....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:25 AM Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.bitsondisk.com/writing/2021/retire-the-csv/
It's so simple they say.
-- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN
901.246-0159 cell
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2021, at 9:45 AM, datades@adam.com.au wrote:
You wont get rid of the CSV anytime soon. It reminds me of the University Professor who declared that email was old-hat and 'dead'
Ah yes, we're about due another bout of "email is dead, here's the new thing" aren't we? Happens every five years or so. If it's not that it's 'Excel is dead'.
"the Fox is dead"
...but we're still here with many of us still using the Fox to kick ass and get shit done. lol
On 8/24/2021 5:14 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021, at 9:45 AM, datades@adam.com.au wrote:
You wont get rid of the CSV anytime soon. It reminds me of the University Professor who declared that email was old-hat and 'dead'
Ah yes, we're about due another bout of "email is dead, here's the new thing" aren't we? Happens every five years or so. If it's not that it's 'Excel is dead'.
Till users put in commas because they are needed Last name, first name. Or commas in dollar amounts. Yeah those are some of my joys.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 3:46 AM datades@adam.com.au wrote:
You wont get rid of the CSV anytime soon. It reminds me of the University Professor who declared that email was old-hat and 'dead' and so sent out the schedule for lectures on social media. Half of the students didn’t arrive because they didn’t get it.
If it aint broke, don’t fix it. And CSV, for all its limitations, aint broke.
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox profox-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Dave Crozier Sent: Tuesday, 24 August 2021 5:58 PM To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Retire the CSV?
However, if the data is stable and never changes in format then using CSV is perfectly acceptable as well as quick.
I must admit I have never liked using double quotes or single quotes as terminating characters for strings and prefer to use the pipe symbol | as a prefix/suffix for strings as it should never be present in operator generated data.
As they say, if it ain't broken then don't fix it ........ but if it has never worked then generate a better solution in the first place!
Dave Crozier Software Development Manager Flexipol Packaging Ltd.
Mob: 07967 671080
﴾⚆ᨎ⚆﴿
Flexipol® Packaging Ltd T 01706 222 792 E DCrozier@flexipol.co.uk W https://www.flexipol.co.uk/ Follow us: Unit 14 Bentwood Road, Carrs Industrial Estate, Haslingden, Lancashire, BB4 5HH
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He's right. And it won't happen.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:43 AM Garrett Fitzgerald < sarekofvulcan@gmail.com> wrote:
Riiiiiiiight....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:25 AM Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.bitsondisk.com/writing/2021/retire-the-csv/
It's so simple they say.
-- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN
901.246-0159 cell
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And see my last thread about the CSV "standard" a few months ago. There are regional formats for CSVs.
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-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 3:35 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Retire the CSV?
Till users put in commas because they are needed Last name, first name. Or commas in dollar amounts. Yeah those are some of my joys.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 3:46 AM datades@adam.com.au wrote:
You wont get rid of the CSV anytime soon. It reminds me of the University Professor who declared that email was old-hat and 'dead' and so sent out the schedule for lectures on social media. Half of the students didn’t arrive because they didn’t get it.
If it aint broke, don’t fix it. And CSV, for all its limitations, aint broke.
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox profox-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Dave Crozier Sent: Tuesday, 24 August 2021 5:58 PM To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Retire the CSV?
However, if the data is stable and never changes in format then using CSV is perfectly acceptable as well as quick.
I must admit I have never liked using double quotes or single quotes as terminating characters for strings and prefer to use the pipe symbol | as a prefix/suffix for strings as it should never be present in operator generated data.
As they say, if it ain't broken then don't fix it ........ but if it has never worked then generate a better solution in the first place!
Dave Crozier Software Development Manager Flexipol Packaging Ltd.
Mob: 07967 671080
﴾⚆ᨎ⚆﴿
Flexipol® Packaging Ltd T 01706 222 792 E DCrozier@flexipol.co.uk W https://www.flexipol.co.uk/ Follow us: Unit 14 Bentwood Road, Carrs Industrial Estate, Haslingden, Lancashire, BB4 5HH
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He's right. And it won't happen.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:43 AM Garrett Fitzgerald < sarekofvulcan@gmail.com> wrote:
Riiiiiiiight....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:25 AM Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.bitsondisk.com/writing/2021/retire-the-csv/
It's so simple they say.
-- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN
901.246-0159 cell
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Richard, we have upped our standards. Now up yours.
Bad Stephen
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:38 PM Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com wrote:
And see my last thread about the CSV "standard" a few months ago. There are regional formats for CSVs.
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-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 3:35 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Retire the CSV?
Till users put in commas because they are needed Last name, first name. Or commas in dollar amounts. Yeah those are some of my joys.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 3:46 AM datades@adam.com.au wrote:
You wont get rid of the CSV anytime soon. It reminds me of the University Professor who declared that email was old-hat and 'dead' and so sent out the schedule for lectures on social media. Half of the students didn’t arrive because they didn’t get it.
If it aint broke, don’t fix it. And CSV, for all its limitations, aint broke.
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox profox-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Dave Crozier Sent: Tuesday, 24 August 2021 5:58 PM To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Retire the CSV?
However, if the data is stable and never changes in format then using CSV is perfectly acceptable as well as quick.
I must admit I have never liked using double quotes or single quotes as terminating characters for strings and prefer to use the pipe symbol | as a prefix/suffix for strings as it should never be present in operator generated data.
As they say, if it ain't broken then don't fix it ........ but if it has never worked then generate a better solution in the first place!
Dave Crozier Software Development Manager Flexipol Packaging Ltd.
Mob: 07967 671080
﴾⚆ᨎ⚆﴿
Flexipol® Packaging Ltd T 01706 222 792 E DCrozier@flexipol.co.uk W https://www.flexipol.co.uk/ Follow us: Unit 14 Bentwood Road, Carrs Industrial Estate, Haslingden, Lancashire, BB4 5HH
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He's right. And it won't happen.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:43 AM Garrett Fitzgerald < sarekofvulcan@gmail.com> wrote:
Riiiiiiiight....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:25 AM Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.bitsondisk.com/writing/2021/retire-the-csv/
It's so simple they say.
-- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN
901.246-0159 cell
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That's a little rude... 😉
If you think it's tough getting customers to properly format a CSV, try XML or JSON...
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-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 7:10 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Retire the CSV?
Richard, we have upped our standards. Now up yours.
Bad Stephen
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:38 PM Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com wrote:
And see my last thread about the CSV "standard" a few months ago. There are regional formats for CSVs.
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rk
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 3:35 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Retire the CSV?
Till users put in commas because they are needed Last name, first name. Or commas in dollar amounts. Yeah those are some of my joys.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 3:46 AM datades@adam.com.au wrote:
You wont get rid of the CSV anytime soon. It reminds me of the University Professor who declared that email was old-hat and 'dead' and so sent out the schedule for lectures on social media. Half of the students didn’t arrive because they didn’t get it.
If it aint broke, don’t fix it. And CSV, for all its limitations, aint broke.
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox profox-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Dave Crozier Sent: Tuesday, 24 August 2021 5:58 PM To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Retire the CSV?
However, if the data is stable and never changes in format then using CSV is perfectly acceptable as well as quick.
I must admit I have never liked using double quotes or single quotes as terminating characters for strings and prefer to use the pipe symbol | as a prefix/suffix for strings as it should never be present in operator generated data.
As they say, if it ain't broken then don't fix it ........ but if it has never worked then generate a better solution in the first place!
Dave Crozier Software Development Manager Flexipol Packaging Ltd.
Mob: 07967 671080
﴾⚆ᨎ⚆﴿
Flexipol® Packaging Ltd T 01706 222 792 E DCrozier@flexipol.co.uk W https://www.flexipol.co.uk/ Follow us: Unit 14 Bentwood Road, Carrs Industrial Estate, Haslingden, Lancashire, BB4 5HH
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use the goods in the ordinary course of its business.
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He's right. And it won't happen.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:43 AM Garrett Fitzgerald < sarekofvulcan@gmail.com> wrote:
Riiiiiiiight....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:25 AM Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.bitsondisk.com/writing/2021/retire-the-csv/
It's so simple they say.
-- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN
901.246-0159 cell
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True story: when I worked at a US Govt contractor from 2017-2021, they created all kinds of alternatives to the XML submission formats that were primarily designed...because not many people want to work with XML. Experience speaks volumes with that one.
On 8/25/2021 8:09 AM, Richard Kaye wrote:
That's a little rude... 😉
If you think it's tough getting customers to properly format a CSV, try XML or JSON...
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-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 7:10 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Retire the CSV?
Richard, we have upped our standards. Now up yours.
Bad Stephen
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:38 PM Richard Kaye rkaye@invaluable.com wrote:
And see my last thread about the CSV "standard" a few months ago. There are regional formats for CSVs.
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rk
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 3:35 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: Retire the CSV?
Till users put in commas because they are needed Last name, first name. Or commas in dollar amounts. Yeah those are some of my joys.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 3:46 AM datades@adam.com.au wrote:
You wont get rid of the CSV anytime soon. It reminds me of the University Professor who declared that email was old-hat and 'dead' and so sent out the schedule for lectures on social media. Half of the students didn’t arrive because they didn’t get it.
If it aint broke, don’t fix it. And CSV, for all its limitations, aint broke.
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox profox-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Dave Crozier Sent: Tuesday, 24 August 2021 5:58 PM To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Retire the CSV?
However, if the data is stable and never changes in format then using CSV is perfectly acceptable as well as quick.
I must admit I have never liked using double quotes or single quotes as terminating characters for strings and prefer to use the pipe symbol | as a prefix/suffix for strings as it should never be present in operator generated data.
As they say, if it ain't broken then don't fix it ........ but if it has never worked then generate a better solution in the first place!
Dave Crozier Software Development Manager Flexipol Packaging Ltd.
Mob: 07967 671080
﴾⚆ᨎ⚆﴿
Flexipol® Packaging Ltd T 01706 222 792 E DCrozier@flexipol.co.uk W https://www.flexipol.co.uk/ Follow us: Unit 14 Bentwood Road, Carrs Industrial Estate, Haslingden, Lancashire, BB4 5HH
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He's right. And it won't happen.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:43 AM Garrett Fitzgerald < sarekofvulcan@gmail.com> wrote:
Riiiiiiiight....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:25 AM Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.bitsondisk.com/writing/2021/retire-the-csv/
It's so simple they say.
-- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN
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This all reminds me of the conversation here 20+ years ago regarding the best way to transfer data between stations with some clamoring for XML and then others saying all the declarations (rightly) added weight to the transport.
On 8/23/2021 9:43 AM, Garrett Fitzgerald wrote:
Riiiiiiiight....
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:25 AM Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.bitsondisk.com/writing/2021/retire-the-csv/
It's so simple they say.
-- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN
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Can relate, however despite all its many drawbacks it will never die because:
It's easy for non programmers to read and understand, as opposed to the hierarchical structure of JSON and XML. It's easy for non programmers to generate, or easy to make third-party applications generate if they have any sort of built-in report generating at all. It's easy for non programmers to view and work with CSV files using Excel.
So Alex is complaining about the "simplicity and ubiquity [which] make[s] CSV an extremely popular way for organizations to exchange data both internally and externally"?
And my question is: If it is going to take all of this work and effort to change to something else, what's the point?
Did this guy ever work for Microsoft?
Paul H. Tarver Tarver Program Consultants, Inc.
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 8:25 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Retire the CSV?
https://www.bitsondisk.com/writing/2021/retire-the-csv/
It's so simple they say.
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