Hi all
I am afraid that I have been rather quiet since being made redundant at the end of February but I am now having a problem with "Network" in File Explorer. This is the setup:
Virgin Hub 3 connected via cable to
DesktopPC, Laptop, US robotics Mini NAS adapter and Netgear Powerline adapter
I have an external drive (STORAGE-0001) connected via USB to the NAS adapter.
On both the desktop and the laptop Network in File Explorer shows
Media Devices(1)
Sorage-0001 which when opened shows the NAS manager in a browser window/tab
Network Infrastructure (1)
ARRIS TG2492LG-85 Router which when opened shows the Hub 3 settings in a browser window/tab
On the Desktop, Network in File Manager shows Computers (3)
DesktopPC
Laptop
Storage-001 (which when opened shows the shared Public folder on the external drive)
However, on the Laptop, Network in File Manager shows Computers (1) which is the laptop itself and when opened shows its shared folder(s).
DesktopPC and Storage-0001 are not shown but can be opened by typing their network names (\ DesktopPC and \Storage-0001 file://Storage-0001 ) into the Explorer address bar.
After searching and trying all manner of suggestions I am still unable to resolve the issue (I am not even sure whether changes are required on the laptop or the desktop or both). I can provide further information if needed.
Any help or suggestions would be highly appreciated. Many thanks, and apologies for the length of the message
Paul Newton
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A wild guess: dfid you enable SMB 1.0 support in all Win 10 PCs including that laptop?
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:10 PM paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com wrote:
Virgin Hub 3 connected via cable to
DesktopPC, Laptop, US robotics Mini NAS adapter and Netgear Powerline adapter
I have an external drive (STORAGE-0001) connected via USB to the NAS adapter.
On both the desktop and the laptop Network in File Explorer shows
Media Devices(1)
Sorage-0001 which when opened shows the NAS manager in a browser window/tab
Network Infrastructure (1)
ARRIS TG2492LG-85 Router which when opened shows the Hub 3 settings in a browser window/tab
On the Desktop, Network in File Manager shows Computers (3)
DesktopPC
Laptop
Storage-001 (which when opened shows the shared Public folder on the external drive)
However, on the Laptop, Network in File Manager shows Computers (1) which is the laptop itself and when opened shows its shared folder(s).
DesktopPC and Storage-0001 are not shown but can be opened by typing their network names (\ DesktopPC and \Storage-0001 file://Storage-0001 ) into the Explorer address bar.
After searching and trying all manner of suggestions I am still unable to resolve the issue (I am not even sure whether changes are required on the laptop or the desktop or both). I can provide further information if needed.
Thanks. I will double check that later today Paul Newton
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A wild guess: dfid you enable SMB 1.0 support in all Win 10 PCs including that laptop?
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:10 PM paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com wrote:
Virgin Hub 3 connected via cable to
DesktopPC, Laptop, US robotics Mini NAS adapter and Netgear Powerline adapter
I have an external drive (STORAGE-0001) connected via USB to the NAS adapter.
On both the desktop and the laptop Network in File Explorer shows
Media Devices(1)
Sorage-0001 which when opened shows the NAS manager in a browser window/tab
Network Infrastructure (1)
ARRIS TG2492LG-85 Router which when opened shows the Hub 3 settings in a browser window/tab
On the Desktop, Network in File Manager shows Computers (3)
DesktopPC
Laptop
Storage-001 (which when opened shows the shared Public folder on the external drive)
However, on the Laptop, Network in File Manager shows Computers (1) which is the laptop itself and when opened shows its shared folder(s).
DesktopPC and Storage-0001 are not shown but can be opened by typing their network names (\ DesktopPC and \Storage-0001file://\\Storage-0001 file://Storage-0001 ) into the Explorer address bar.
After searching and trying all manner of suggestions I am still unable to resolve the issue (I am not even sure whether changes are required on the laptop or the desktop or both). I can provide further information if needed.
-- .~. Might, Courage, Vision. SINCERITY! / v \ 64-bit Fedora 25 Server Spin /( _ )\ http://sites.google.com/site/changmw ^ ^ May the Force and farces be with you!
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Don't enable SMB1 support. You might as well leave your front door open when you leave the house.
Thanks Alan I have now disabled SMB1 on both computers and the Network node in Explorer now shows no computers at all (on either computer). Do I just accept that this is a limitation of Windows 10 Home Edition? Paul
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Don't enable SMB1 support. You might as well leave your front door open when you leave the house.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
[excessive quoting removed by server]
This topic is over 3 years old, so proceed with caution:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-10-shared-fold...
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 7:15 AM Paul Newton paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Alan I have now disabled SMB1 on both computers and the Network node in Explorer now shows no computers at all (on either computer). Do I just accept that this is a limitation of Windows 10 Home Edition? Paul
Get Outlook for Androidhttps://aka.ms/AAb9ysg ________________________________ From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com on behalf of Alan Bourke < alanpbourke@fastmail.fm> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:37:14 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Windows 10 Home networking and Explorer
Don't enable SMB1 support. You might as well leave your front door open when you leave the house.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Many thanks Ted - I'll take a good look at it over the next few days (lots going on at the moment) Paul Newton
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This topic is over 3 years old, so proceed with caution:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-10-shared-fold...
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 7:15 AM Paul Newton paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Alan I have now disabled SMB1 on both computers and the Network node in Explorer now shows no computers at all (on either computer). Do I just accept that this is a limitation of Windows 10 Home Edition? Paul
Get Outlook for Androidhttps://aka.ms/AAb9ysg ________________________________ From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com on behalf of Alan Bourke < alanpbourke@fastmail.fm> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:37:14 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Windows 10 Home networking and Explorer
Don't enable SMB1 support. You might as well leave your front door open when you leave the house.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Hi Ted et al I tried everything there without success. I'm at the stage where the desktop is showing no computers on the network (not even itself) and the laptop is showing all the computers and a networked printer, but only if SMB1 is enabled (which, after Alan's warning, I don't want to do). Would I be right in thinking that I could solve everything by upgrading to Windows 10 Professional?
Many thanks Paul Newton
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: 22 September 2021 20:31 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Windows 10 Home networking and Explorer
This topic is over 3 years old, so proceed with caution:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-10-shared-fold er-not-showing/f80e3e1e-0703-4fdf-bfdb-737800ff726e
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 7:15 AM Paul Newton paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Alan I have now disabled SMB1 on both computers and the Network node in Explorer now shows no computers at all (on either computer). Do I just accept that this is a limitation of Windows 10 Home Edition? Paul
Get Outlook for Androidhttps://aka.ms/AAb9ysg ________________________________ From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com on behalf of Alan Bourke < alanpbourke@fastmail.fm> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:37:14 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Windows 10 Home networking and Explorer
Don't enable SMB1 support. You might as well leave your front door open when you leave the house.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Very strange for me. I have a small home network - laptop and PCs with WinXP, Win7ultimate, Win10home, Win10enterprise and Linux/Xubuntu and everything marked as "public" is visible and usable without any additional configuration.
Dne 23.9.2021 v 17:35 paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com napsal(a):
Hi Ted et al I tried everything there without success. I'm at the stage where the desktop is showing no computers on the network (not even itself) and the laptop is showing all the computers and a networked printer, but only if SMB1 is enabled (which, after Alan's warning, I don't want to do). Would I be right in thinking that I could solve everything by upgrading to Windows 10 Professional?
Many thanks Paul Newton
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: 22 September 2021 20:31 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Windows 10 Home networking and Explorer
This topic is over 3 years old, so proceed with caution:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-10-shared-fold er-not-showing/f80e3e1e-0703-4fdf-bfdb-737800ff726e
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 7:15 AM Paul Newton paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Alan I have now disabled SMB1 on both computers and the Network node in Explorer now shows no computers at all (on either computer). Do I just accept that this is a limitation of Windows 10 Home Edition? Paul
Get Outlook for Androidhttps://aka.ms/AAb9ysg ________________________________ From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com on behalf of Alan Bourke < alanpbourke@fastmail.fm> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:37:14 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Windows 10 Home networking and Explorer
Don't enable SMB1 support. You might as well leave your front door open when you leave the house.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Maybe you forgot what you did... :)
On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 11:59 PM Jan Bucek bucek.jan@post.cz wrote:
Very strange for me. I have a small home network - laptop and PCs with WinXP, Win7ultimate, Win10home, Win10enterprise and Linux/Xubuntu and everything marked as "public" is visible and usable without any additional configuration.
Thanks but I've tried what you suggest including enabling Function Discovery services to no avail :(
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Maybe you forgot what you did... :)
On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 11:59 PM Jan Bucek bucek.jan@post.cz wrote:
Very strange for me. I have a small home network - laptop and PCs with WinXP, Win7ultimate, Win10home, Win10enterprise and Linux/Xubuntu and everything marked as "public" is visible and usable without any additional configuration.
-- .~. Might, Courage, Vision. SINCERITY! / v \ 64-bit Fedora 25 Server Spin /( _ )\ http://sites.google.com/site/changmw ^ ^ May the Force and farces be with you!
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---------- Původní e-mail ---------- Od: Jan Bucek bucek.jan@post.cz Komu: profox@leafe.com Datum: 23. 9. 2021 17:59:48 Předmět: Re: [NF] Windows 10 Home networking and Explorer "Very strange for me. I have a small home network - laptop and PCs with WinXP, Win7ultimate, Win10home, Win10enterprise and Linux/Xubuntu and everything marked as "public" is visible and usable without any additional configuration.
Dne 23.9.2021 v 17:35 paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com napsal(a):
Hi Ted et al I tried everything there without success. I'm at the stage where the desktop is showing no computers on the network (not even itself) and the laptop is showing all the computers and a networked printer, but only if SMB1 is enabled (which, after Alan's warning, I don't want to do). Would I
be right in thinking that I could solve everything by upgrading to Windows
10 Professional?
Many thanks Paul Newton
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: 22 September 2021 20:31 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Windows 10 Home networking and Explorer
This topic is over 3 years old, so proceed with caution:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-10-shared-
fold
er-not-showing/f80e3e1e-0703-4fdf-bfdb-737800ff726e
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 7:15 AM Paul Newton paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Alan I have now disabled SMB1 on both computers and the Network node in Explorer now shows no computers at all (on either computer). Do I just accept that this is a limitation of Windows 10 Home Edition? Paul
Get Outlook for Androidhttps://aka.ms/AAb9ysg ________________________________ From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com on behalf of Alan Bourke < alanpbourke@fastmail.fm> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:37:14 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Windows 10 Home networking and Explorer
Don't enable SMB1 support. You might as well leave your front door open when you leave the house.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
[excessive quoting removed by server]
If all PCs in the network were Win 8/10, then you could disable SMB1. I forgot whether Win 7 needed SMB1.
You might also try enabling all Function Discovery services in all PCs without enabling SMB1.
On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 11:36 PM paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com wrote:
I tried everything there without success. I'm at the stage where the desktop is showing no computers on the network (not even itself) and the laptop is showing all the computers and a networked printer, but only if SMB1 is enabled (which, after Alan's warning, I don't want to do). Would I be right in thinking that I could solve everything by upgrading to Windows 10 Professional?
Sorry, Paul, that was my best guess. I quit Windows networking when AD came along. I'm sure people have solved this problem, keep searching.
Upgrading may be the fastest/cheapest solution, I agree.
On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 11:36 AM paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ted et al I tried everything there without success. I'm at the stage where the desktop is showing no computers on the network (not even itself) and the laptop is showing all the computers and a networked printer, but only if SMB1 is enabled (which, after Alan's warning, I don't want to do). Would I be right in thinking that I could solve everything by upgrading to Windows 10 Professional?
Many thanks Paul Newton
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: 22 September 2021 20:31 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Windows 10 Home networking and Explorer
This topic is over 3 years old, so proceed with caution:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-10-shared-fold er-not-showing/f80e3e1e-0703-4fdf-bfdb-737800ff726e https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-10-shared-folder-not-showing/f80e3e1e-0703-4fdf-bfdb-737800ff726e
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 7:15 AM Paul Newton paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Alan I have now disabled SMB1 on both computers and the Network node in Explorer now shows no computers at all (on either computer). Do I just accept that this is a limitation of Windows 10 Home Edition? Paul
Get Outlook for Androidhttps://aka.ms/AAb9ysg ________________________________ From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com on behalf of Alan Bourke < alanpbourke@fastmail.fm> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:37:14 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Windows 10 Home networking and Explorer
Don't enable SMB1 support. You might as well leave your front door open when you leave the house.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
[excessive quoting removed by server]
iirc some older NAS devices (i.e. older *nix OS) need SMBv1. I have WD MyBook and MyCloud and at least one of them needs SMB1 - so I have SMB1/CIFS enabled in Control Panel (_Client_ only). Any remote access is done via encrypted SSH tunnels. No-one has walked in through the front door */so far!
/* AndyD*/ /* <snip>
Don't enable SMB1 support. You might as well leave your front door open when you leave the house.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Thanks Andy I'll try to find out if my NAS adapter requires SMB1 - it's US Robotics Mini NAS adapter
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iirc some older NAS devices (i.e. older *nix OS) need SMBv1. I have WD MyBook and MyCloud and at least one of them needs SMB1 - so I have SMB1/CIFS enabled in Control Panel (_Client_ only). Any remote access is done via encrypted SSH tunnels. No-one has walked in through the front door */so far!
/* AndyD*/ /* <snip>
Don't enable SMB1 support. You might as well leave your front door open when you leave the house.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
[excessive quoting removed by server]
If your NAS OS had WSDD, you could avoid using SMB1.
(My router is running DD-WRT with ksmbd and WSDD2)
Samba 4, shares, wsdd and Windows 10 – how to list Linux Samba servers in the Win 10 Explorer | Linux-Blog – Dr. Mönchmeyer / anracon – Augsburg https://linux-blog.anracom.com/2020/05/24/samba-4-shares-wsdd-and-windows-10...
Making Linux Samba shares visible to Windows hosts after WannaCry - Doug Rathbone https://dougrathbone.com/blog/2020/09/14/making-linux-samba-shares-browsable...
Bug #1831441 “Please add WS-Discovery ( WSD ) support for Window...” : Bugs : samba package : Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1831441
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 7:15 PM Paul Newton paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Andy I'll try to find out if my NAS adapter requires SMB1 - it's US Robotics Mini NAS adapter
Thanks Man-wai
I will definitely follow up on your suggestion if/when I am working with a mix of Windows and Linux machines.
PaulNewton
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Man-wai Chang Sent: 25 September 2021 14:20 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Windows 10 Home networking and Explorer
If your NAS OS had WSDD, you could avoid using SMB1.
(My router is running DD-WRT with ksmbd and WSDD2)
Samba 4, shares, wsdd and Windows 10 – how to list Linux Samba servers in the Win 10 Explorer | Linux-Blog – Dr. Mönchmeyer / anracon – Augsburg https://linux-blog.anracom.com/2020/05/24/samba-4-shares-wsdd-and-windows-10...
Making Linux Samba shares visible to Windows hosts after WannaCry - Doug Rathbone https://dougrathbone.com/blog/2020/09/14/making-linux-samba-shares-browsable...
Bug #1831441 “Please add WS-Discovery ( WSD ) support for Window...” : Bugs : samba package : Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1831441
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 7:15 PM Paul Newton paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Andy I'll try to find out if my NAS adapter requires SMB1 - it's US Robotics Mini NAS adapter
-- .~. Might, Courage, Vision. SINCERITY! / v \ 64-bit Fedora 25 Server Spin /( _ )\ http://sites.google.com/site/changmw ^ ^ May the Force and farces be with you!
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The whole SMB1/WSDD thing is all about the workground browser. You should always be able to access shares by fully qualified IP address or name(e.g. \1.2.3.4\share).
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 4:32 AM paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Man-wai
I will definitely follow up on your suggestion if/when I am working with a mix of Windows and Linux machines.
Thanks Ted but there was really no need to apologise ... 😊
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: 24 September 2021 22:55 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Windows 10 Home networking and Explorer
Sorry, Paul, that was my best guess. I quit Windows networking when AD came along. I'm sure people have solved this problem, keep searching.
Upgrading may be the fastest/cheapest solution, I agree.
On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 11:36 AM paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ted et al I tried everything there without success. I'm at the stage where the desktop is showing no computers on the network (not even itself) and the laptop is showing all the computers and a networked printer, but only if SMB1 is enabled (which, after Alan's warning, I don't want to do). Would I be right in thinking that I could solve everything by upgrading to Windows 10 Professional?
Many thanks Paul Newton
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: 22 September 2021 20:31 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Windows 10 Home networking and Explorer
This topic is over 3 years old, so proceed with caution:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-10-share d-fold er-not-showing/f80e3e1e-0703-4fdf-bfdb-737800ff726e https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-10-shar ed-folder-not-showing/f80e3e1e-0703-4fdf-bfdb-737800ff726e
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 7:15 AM Paul Newton paul.newton.hudl@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Alan I have now disabled SMB1 on both computers and the Network node in Explorer now shows no computers at all (on either computer). Do I just accept that this is a limitation of Windows 10 Home Edition? Paul
Get Outlook for Androidhttps://aka.ms/AAb9ysg ________________________________ From: ProfoxTech profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com on behalf of Alan Bourke < alanpbourke@fastmail.fm> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:37:14 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Windows 10 Home networking and Explorer
Don't enable SMB1 support. You might as well leave your front door open when you leave the house.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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