https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows

"With Windows 10, it's time to start thinking of Windows as something that won't see a big launch or major upgrade every few years anymore."

Thierry Nivelet Le 14/03/2019 à 14:34, Kurt at VR-FX a écrit :

Will admit - I'd not heard that Win10 is last version. What happens next? Windows goes way of Dodo bird???

-K-

On 3/14/2019 3:23 AM, Thierry Nivelet wrote:

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Seeking alternatives to FoxPro was valid until Microsoft announced that Windows 10 was the last version (in may 2015, almost 4 years ago),

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John,

That's what I heard too - that Windows 10 will simply keep getting upgraded. What matters now is the version (which is what the "10" used to represent.)

Since the upgrades are forced on everyone, unless you have a computer like one of mine that crashes when MS tries to push an upgrade (and then reverts), in theory, everyone is running on the same version. So why change the name?

But I don't think that it means that Windows is going away anytime soon.

Fletcher

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No we keep getting 6-monthly 'Feature' updates 😊.

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Will admit - I'd not heard that Win10 is last version. What happens next? Windows goes way of Dodo bird???

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Thierry,

All I know is that there have been a number of comments about various options that are similar to VFP that have come out (X# is one) where VFP code will more or less run, especially with some of the built in conversion tools.

So the question isn't whether to stay with VFP, but if there are any alternatives that will run the VFP code without significant re-writes.

Thanks,

Fletcher

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-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 3:24 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Looking for current summary of VFP clones

Hi Fletscher,

Does your client really knows that, since 10 is the last version of Windows, VFP will work as long as Windows 10 will work, and re-write and/or migration will bring nothing but cost and risk without a single benefit (except for those who rewrite): learning, moving data to SQL if not already, rewriting, testing, retraining users, managing the transition with part of the app in VFP and part in the new system (no new app ever work overnight), etc., maybe loss of functionalities, and risk that the transition works out badly…

Seeking alternatives to FoxPro was valid until Microsoft announced that Windows 10 was the last version (in may 2015, almost 4 years ago), today it's just seeking cost and risk for no other benefit than 'doing someting new'.

VFP is incredibly reliable; some FoxInCloud clients have FoxInCloud web apps with over 50 forms (could be more), 50 concurrent users (could be more), PostgreSQL database, 8 logical servers in parallel (stateless, many-to-many relation between users and servers), running full weeks without a single error (100% availability) while reading and writing thousands of files, tables, memos, indexes and so forth. The busiest server runs 25k user requests per day, that we can estimate over 1.2 billion VFP instructions, without a single error…

Bringing additional value to the existing VFP app is probably more worthy and interesting than rewriting; eg. with FoxInCloud.

(I know I don't really answer your original question, just trying to open new pathes).

Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud

Le 13/03/2019 à 16:45, Fletcher Johnson a écrit :

Hi all,

I was asked for a list of current options for someone who has a VFP application and wants to migrate it to a supported language, with the least amount of re-work.

I have seen many options listed, but am sure how compatible the various alternatives are. X# looks promising, but so do some of the others. And some that I thought were good options now appear to be dormant or discontinued. So I thought I would check with you fine folks to see if you know where I might find a list of current alternatives and their level of compatibility.

Thanks,

Fletcher

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I think this is key. You all know that I'm a huge Xojo fan, however I can't ever believe that rewriting an application for something other than a real concrete reason is a good idea. Basically if you are wondering if you should rewrite a VFP application, then the answer is "no" already. If you know you need to rewrite a VFP application, then you already know why it needs to be rewritten, by definition. (Examples: Needs cross platform. Needs 64-bit. Can't interface with 'X'. etc.)

Great post Thierry.

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Hi Fletscher,

Does your client really knows that, since 10 is the last version of Windows, VFP will work as long as Windows 10 will work, and re-write and/or migration will bring nothing but cost and risk without a single benefit (except for those who rewrite): learning, moving data to SQL if not already, rewriting, testing, retraining users, managing the transition with part of the app in VFP and part in the new system (no new app ever work overnight), etc., maybe loss of functionalities, and risk that the transition works out badly…

Seeking alternatives to FoxPro was valid until Microsoft announced that Windows 10 was the last version (in may 2015, almost 4 years ago), today it's just seeking cost and risk for no other benefit than 'doing someting new'.

VFP is incredibly reliable; some FoxInCloud clients have FoxInCloud web apps with over 50 forms (could be more), 50 concurrent users (could be more), PostgreSQL database, 8 logical servers in parallel (stateless, many-to-many relation between users and servers), running full weeks without a single error (100% availability) while reading and writing thousands of files, tables, memos, indexes and so forth. The busiest server runs 25k user requests per day, that we can estimate over 1.2 billion VFP instructions, without a single error…

Bringing additional value to the existing VFP app is probably more worthy and interesting than rewriting; eg. with FoxInCloud.

(I know I don't really answer your original question, just trying to open new pathes).

Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud

Le 13/03/2019 à 16:45, Fletcher Johnson a écrit :

Hi all,

I was asked for a list of current options for someone who has a VFP application and wants to migrate it to a supported language, with the least amount of re-work.

I have seen many options listed, but am sure how compatible the various alternatives are. X# looks promising, but so do some of the others. And some that I thought were good options now appear to be dormant or discontinued. So I thought I would check with you fine folks to see if you know where I might find a list of current alternatives and their level of compatibility.

Thanks,

Fletcher

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In all the years of writing apps have you ever had a talented user who told you what they wanted to be even close to what they ended up with?

That being said, a rewrite allows the developer to "fix" the poor decisions and tweaks to fix them. If you had that commitment from the champion why not get it off the desktop and make it contemporary to apps in the 2020 time frame? That could be cloud, web, tablet/phone, as well as PC. Those may be what the user wants in the re-write anyway.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:01 PM Kevin J Cully kjcully@cherokeega.com wrote:

I think this is key. You all know that I'm a huge Xojo fan, however I can't ever believe that rewriting an application for something other than a real concrete reason is a good idea. Basically if you are wondering if you should rewrite a VFP application, then the answer is "no" already. If you know you need to rewrite a VFP application, then you already know why it needs to be rewritten, by definition. (Examples: Needs cross platform. Needs 64-bit. Can't interface with 'X'. etc.)

Great post Thierry.

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Hi Fletscher,

Does your client really knows that, since 10 is the last version of Windows, VFP will work as long as Windows 10 will work, and re-write and/or migration will bring nothing but cost and risk without a single benefit (except for those who rewrite): learning, moving data to SQL if not already, rewriting, testing, retraining users, managing the transition with part of the app in VFP and part in the new system (no new app ever work overnight), etc., maybe loss of functionalities, and risk that the transition works out badly…

Seeking alternatives to FoxPro was valid until Microsoft announced that Windows 10 was the last version (in may 2015, almost 4 years ago), today it's just seeking cost and risk for no other benefit than 'doing someting new'.

VFP is incredibly reliable; some FoxInCloud clients have FoxInCloud web apps with over 50 forms (could be more), 50 concurrent users (could be more), PostgreSQL database, 8 logical servers in parallel (stateless, many-to-many relation between users and servers), running full weeks without a single error (100% availability) while reading and writing thousands of files, tables, memos, indexes and so forth. The busiest server runs 25k user requests per day, that we can estimate over 1.2 billion VFP instructions, without a single error…

Bringing additional value to the existing VFP app is probably more worthy and interesting than rewriting; eg. with FoxInCloud.

(I know I don't really answer your original question, just trying to open new pathes).

Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud

Le 13/03/2019 à 16:45, Fletcher Johnson a écrit :

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Hi all,

I was asked for a list of current options for someone who has a VFP application and wants to migrate it to a supported language, with the least amount of re-work.

I have seen many options listed, but am sure how compatible the various alternatives are. X# looks promising, but so do some of the others. And some that I thought were good options now appear to be dormant or discontinued. So I thought I would check with you fine folks to see if you know where I might find a list of current alternatives and their level of compatibility.

Thanks,

Fletcher

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Le 14/03/2019 à 21:17, Stephen Russell a écrit :

allows the developer to "fix" the poor decisions and tweaks to fix them

… and make his/her own set of poor decisions and tweaks in the new app… ;)

sounds theoretical to me

Hey there Kevin - you of the BucketHead Fandom!

Your discourse on a re-write strikes a Nerve more than you can imagine!!! Why? Well, to answer that I MUST start a New Thread! And, its overdue for me to do it. But, alas - been WAY Overwhelmed here. Been working 2 different PT gigs(Parrots & Teaching - but, NOT teaching Parrots), and now doing a big move of crap out of this "storage" room at my sister's house. On top of that, I MUST Prepare for this UCLA 2nd interview - thus the re-write commentary. Of course, I do NOT want to hijack this thread. So, I will start a new one. Hopefully either tomorrow or Sat. - for which I need to crack open a Serious discussions about Re-writes, alternate tech., reasons for picking certain tech. - all in order to formulate a VERY specific response to UCLA. Although, must admit - its a Bitch to go THIS Far (including a "written" programming test I must complete) - all for a job that pays a bit TOO low! Ugh...

-K-

On 3/14/2019 10:00 AM, Kevin J Cully wrote:

I think this is key. You all know that I'm a huge Xojo fan, however I can't ever believe that rewriting an application for something other than a real concrete reason is a good idea. Basically if you are wondering if you should rewrite a VFP application, then the answer is "no" already. If you know you need to rewrite a VFP application, then you already know why it needs to be rewritten, by definition. (Examples: Needs cross platform. Needs 64-bit. Can't interface with 'X'. etc.)

Great post Thierry.

-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 6:24 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Looking for current summary of VFP clones

Hi Fletscher,

Does your client really knows that, since 10 is the last version of Windows, VFP will work as long as Windows 10 will work, and re-write and/or migration will bring nothing but cost and risk without a single benefit (except for those who rewrite): learning, moving data to SQL if not already, rewriting, testing, retraining users, managing the transition with part of the app in VFP and part in the new system (no new app ever work overnight), etc., maybe loss of functionalities, and risk that the transition works out badly…

Seeking alternatives to FoxPro was valid until Microsoft announced that Windows 10 was the last version (in may 2015, almost 4 years ago), today it's just seeking cost and risk for no other benefit than 'doing someting new'.

VFP is incredibly reliable; some FoxInCloud clients have FoxInCloud web apps with over 50 forms (could be more), 50 concurrent users (could be more), PostgreSQL database, 8 logical servers in parallel (stateless, many-to-many relation between users and servers), running full weeks without a single error (100% availability) while reading and writing thousands of files, tables, memos, indexes and so forth. The busiest server runs 25k user requests per day, that we can estimate over 1.2 billion VFP instructions, without a single error…

Bringing additional value to the existing VFP app is probably more worthy and interesting than rewriting; eg. with FoxInCloud.

(I know I don't really answer your original question, just trying to open new pathes).

Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud

Le 13/03/2019 à 16:45, Fletcher Johnson a écrit :

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Hi all,

I was asked for a list of current options for someone who has a VFP application and wants to migrate it to a supported language, with the least amount of re-work.

I have seen many options listed, but am sure how compatible the various alternatives are. X# looks promising, but so do some of the others. And some that I thought were good options now appear to be dormant or discontinued. So I thought I would check with you fine folks to see if you know where I might find a list of current alternatives and their level of compatibility.

Thanks,

Fletcher

Fletcher Johnson

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http://linkedin.com/in/FletcherJohnson LinkedIn.com/in/FletcherJohnson

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