I just delivered a new system which includes a mailing function.
The client needs to send 500 to 700 invoices per month to its customers, in PDF format.
They use gmail
Question:
How many emails does Gmail accept to be mailed in a single shot?
I was told that they have a limit which, when surpassed, blocks Gmail
Anybody?
Thank you
Rafael Copquin
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/22839?hl=enhttps://support.google.com...
It says 500 emails per day but you can get around it by adding all your emails into a google group and sending one email to the group email address.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of rafael copquin Sent: 06 June 2017 12:54 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Subject: VFP and Gmail
I just delivered a new system which includes a mailing function.
The client needs to send 500 to 700 invoices per month to its customers, in PDF format.
They use gmail
Question:
How many emails does Gmail accept to be mailed in a single shot?
I was told that they have a limit which, when surpassed, blocks Gmail
Anybody?
Thank you
Rafael Copquin
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Hi Rafael,
I think we have all the same problem. Here in France, a standard is 100 mails per hour. What I have done is a 'slave app' sending one email each 40 seconds. The main app fills a table with all datas needed to send the email : @, text, files to join, etc. It tooks a very short time and the user has control again. And each 40s, the slave look in the table if there is a mail to send and if yes send it. I have not done a "test if email is well sent" (bad adress, ...), they are received in the standard 'outlook'.
HTH The Foxil
I'd recommend looking into a service such as Mandrill (by MailChimp). https://mandrill.com/
$20 / 25,000 emails. I've seen it demonstrated and it's wicked fast to send individual emails to individual recipients around the globe. For that price, it'd be worth the expense.
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Jean MAURICE Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 8:16 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: VFP and Gmail
Hi Rafael,
I think we have all the same problem. Here in France, a standard is 100 mails per hour. What I have done is a 'slave app' sending one email each 40 seconds. The main app fills a table with all datas needed to send the email : @, text, files to join, etc. It tooks a very short time and the user has control again. And each 40s, the slave look in the table if there is a mail to send and if yes send it. I have not done a "test if email is well sent" (bad adress, ...), they are received in the standard 'outlook'.
HTH The Foxil
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I would use Mailjet over Mandrill\Mailchimp.
Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
rafael copquin wrote on 2017-06-06:
I just delivered a new system which includes a mailing function.
The client needs to send 500 to 700 invoices per month to its customers, in PDF format.
They use gmail
Question:
How many emails does Gmail accept to be mailed in a single shot?
I was told that they have a limit which, when surpassed, blocks Gmail
Anybody?
Thank you
Rafael Copquin
Rafael,
When sending through Google mail servers, I have found the following prevents issues with the servers shutting the account down for the day. sending 15 emails during a single connection pause 200 milliseconds between each email in the connection wait 5 seconds before reconnecting
Different providers require finessing, so these are something the user can adjust in my software.
HTH, Tracy
Tracy Pearson PowerChurch Software
So what you're saying is to send the emails in batches of no more than 15, wait about 30 seconds and go on?
Rafael
On 06/06/2017 10:57, Tracy Pearson wrote:
rafael copquin wrote on 2017-06-06:
I just delivered a new system which includes a mailing function.
The client needs to send 500 to 700 invoices per month to its customers, in PDF format.
They use gmail
Question:
How many emails does Gmail accept to be mailed in a single shot?
I was told that they have a limit which, when surpassed, blocks Gmail
Anybody?
Thank you
Rafael Copquin
Rafael,
When sending through Google mail servers, I have found the following prevents issues with the servers shutting the account down for the day. sending 15 emails during a single connection pause 200 milliseconds between each email in the connection wait 5 seconds before reconnecting
Different providers require finessing, so these are something the user can adjust in my software.
HTH, Tracy
Tracy Pearson PowerChurch Software
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Rafael,
In batches of 15, and pause 200 milliseconds (SLEEP(200)) between each email in the batch. Disconnect from the server and wait 5 seconds (SLEEP(5000)) before reconnecting.
If you don't pause the 200 milliseconds between each email, the provider settings will not allow you to send emails after about the 7th.
Waiting the 5 seconds usually prevents the "too many connections" scenario.
Tracy Pearson PowerChurch Software
rafael copquin wrote on 2017-06-06:
So what you're saying is to send the emails in batches of no more than 15, wait about 30 seconds and go on?
Rafael
Rafael,
When sending through Google mail servers, I have found the following prevents issues with the servers shutting the account down for the day. sending 15 emails during a single connection pause 200 milliseconds between each email in the connection wait 5 seconds before reconnecting Different providers require finessing, so these are something the user
can
adjust in my software.
Thank you Tracy
Rafael
On 06/06/2017 11:38, Tracy Pearson wrote:
Rafael,
In batches of 15, and pause 200 milliseconds (SLEEP(200)) between each email in the batch. Disconnect from the server and wait 5 seconds (SLEEP(5000)) before reconnecting.
If you don't pause the 200 milliseconds between each email, the provider settings will not allow you to send emails after about the 7th.
Waiting the 5 seconds usually prevents the "too many connections" scenario.
Tracy Pearson PowerChurch Software
rafael copquin wrote on 2017-06-06:
So what you're saying is to send the emails in batches of no more than 15, wait about 30 seconds and go on?
Rafael
Rafael,
When sending through Google mail servers, I have found the following prevents issues with the servers shutting the account down for the day. sending 15 emails during a single connection pause 200 milliseconds between each email in the connection wait 5 seconds before reconnecting Different providers require finessing, so these are something the user
can
adjust in my software.
[excessive quoting removed by server]
I would make a program that uses a loop to call a function passing an array of data to that function for the first 15 messages. Then you disconnect from gmail and fill the next 15 messages and push it again for N cycles.
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 1:31 PM, rafael copquin rafael.copquin@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you Tracy
Rafael
On 06/06/2017 11:38, Tracy Pearson wrote:
Rafael,
In batches of 15, and pause 200 milliseconds (SLEEP(200)) between each email in the batch. Disconnect from the server and wait 5 seconds (SLEEP(5000)) before reconnecting.
If you don't pause the 200 milliseconds between each email, the provider settings will not allow you to send emails after about the 7th.
Waiting the 5 seconds usually prevents the "too many connections" scenario.
Tracy Pearson PowerChurch Software
rafael copquin wrote on 2017-06-06:
So what you're saying is to send the emails in batches of no more than 15, wait about 30 seconds and go on? Rafael
Rafael,
When sending through Google mail servers, I have found the following prevents issues with the servers shutting the account down for the day. sending 15 emails during a single connection pause 200 milliseconds between each email in the connection wait 5 seconds before reconnecting Different providers require finessing, so these are something the user
can
adjust in my software.
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Honestly I think it would be best not to use GMAIL but to use external SMTP server, it is not expensive and you can work without problems.
I use Chilkat DLLs in my e-mail marketing program.
Jose Enrique Llopis
-----Mensaje original----- De: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] En nombre de rafael copquin Enviado el: martes, 06 de junio de 2017 13:54 Para: ProFox Email List Asunto: VFP and Gmail
I just delivered a new system which includes a mailing function.
The client needs to send 500 to 700 invoices per month to its customers, in PDF format.
They use gmail
Question:
How many emails does Gmail accept to be mailed in a single shot?
I was told that they have a limit which, when surpassed, blocks Gmail
Anybody?
Thank you
Rafael Copquin
[excessive quoting removed by server]
On Wed, 7 Jun 2017, at 07:53 AM, José Enrique Llopis wrote:
Honestly I think it would be best not to use GMAIL but to use external SMTP
+1
If you're doing bulk emailing, use a service that's intended for bulk emailing. Mailjet is $7.49 US a month for 30,000 emails with no throttling involved. It's not going to break the bank. Plus you get all the analytics, tracking of opened mails, tracking of bounces, queuing, retries. You will need to set up DKIM and SPF for the domains but this means you won't end up with the domain blacklisted.
Alan Bourke wrote on 2017-06-07:
On Wed, 7 Jun 2017, at 07:53 AM, José Enrique Llopis wrote:
Honestly I think it would be best not to use GMAIL but to use external SMTP
+1
If you're doing bulk emailing, use a service that's intended for bulk emailing. Mailjet is $7.49 US a month for 30,000 emails with no throttling involved. It's not going to break the bank. Plus you get all the analytics, tracking of opened mails, tracking of bounces, queuing, retries. You will need to set up DKIM and SPF for the domains but this means you won't end up with the domain blacklisted.
Alan,
From the original message, I understood the client will be sending approximately 20 unique emails with a unique PDF attached to each email a day.
I see Mailjet has this ability. (Send transactional email - Sending with attached files) That's good to know. It is something I might research for the company I work for in the future.
Tracy Pearson PowerChurch Software
I think MailJet and Mandrill are offering similar services with a different pricing structure. Let me see if I can get this math correct for a couple of example scenarios.
If you were to send out 1,000 emails per month ... ... for MailJet at $7.49/mo * 12mo = $89.88/year ... for Mandrill at $20/block of 25,000 = $20/year with 13,000 emails left in the block
If you were to send out 200 emails per month ... ... for MailJet at $0.00/mo * 12mo = $0.00/year ... for Mandrill at $20/block of 25,000 = $20/year with 22,600 emails left in the block
If you were to send out 50,000 emails per month ... ... for MailJet at 2 "blocks" of $7.49/mo * 12mo = $179.76/year [++] ... for Mandrill at 2blocks at $20/block = $40/year with 0 emails left in the blocks. [+++]
[++] I'm not sure if this is right or not. At this point, you might be stepping up into the "Crystal" level and need to pay $27.95/month? That'd be $335.40 per year. It'd be nice if you could purchase the 2 bronze level "blocks" of 30,000 emails? [+++] From the Mandril site, they may require a MailChimp plan of $25.00/month for 1,501-2000 subscribers. I'm not sure what a "subscriber" is in this scenario but it's definitely worth looking into before signing up.
-Kevin
-----Original Message----- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Tracy Pearson Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 9:17 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: VFP and Gmail
I see Mailjet has this ability. (Send transactional email - Sending with attached files) That's good to know. It is something I might research for the company I work for in the future.
Tracy Pearson PowerChurch Software
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On 2017-06-07 09:44, Kevin J Cully wrote:
I think MailJet and Mandrill are offering similar services with a different pricing structure. Let me see if I can get this math correct for a couple of example scenarios.
If you were to send out 1,000 emails per month ... ... for MailJet at $7.49/mo * 12mo = $89.88/year ... for Mandrill at $20/block of 25,000 = $20/year with 13,000 emails left in the block
If you were to send out 200 emails per month ... ... for MailJet at $0.00/mo * 12mo = $0.00/year ... for Mandrill at $20/block of 25,000 = $20/year with 22,600 emails left in the block
If you were to send out 50,000 emails per month ... ... for MailJet at 2 "blocks" of $7.49/mo * 12mo = $179.76/year [++] ... for Mandrill at 2blocks at $20/block = $40/year with 0 emails left in the blocks. [+++]
[++] I'm not sure if this is right or not. At this point, you might be stepping up into the "Crystal" level and need to pay $27.95/month? That'd be $335.40 per year. It'd be nice if you could purchase the 2 bronze level "blocks" of 30,000 emails? [+++] From the Mandril site, they may require a MailChimp plan of $25.00/month for 1,501-2000 subscribers. I'm not sure what a "subscriber" is in this scenario but it's definitely worth looking into before signing up.
-Kevin
I'm appreciating the information in this thread because I just signed up for MailChimp recently (but plan to send under 2000 emails) so thanks for all this info.
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