Oracle never letting us down.
"The database giant is understood to have hired 20 individuals globally this year, whose sole job is the pursuit of businesses in breach of their Java licences."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_java_users_non_compli...
On Dec 20, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
Oracle never letting us down.
"The database giant is understood to have hired 20 individuals globally this year, whose sole job is the pursuit of businesses in breach of their Java licences."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_java_users_non_compli...
That's why I went with Python 15 years ago, even though Java was way more popular at the time. I'll never tie my career to a proprietary product again. My time with VFP taught me that.
-- Ed Leafe
java was OS fifteen years ago just like python. Oracle bought Sun 10 years ago.
I would agree that for you java is too restrictive in how to program with it.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Ed Leafe ed@leafe.com wrote:
On Dec 20, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
Oracle never letting us down.
"The database giant is understood to have hired 20 individuals globally this year, whose sole job is the pursuit of businesses in breach of their Java licences."
java_users_non_compliance/
That's why I went with Python 15 years ago, even though Java was way more popular at the time. I'll never tie my career to a proprietary product again. My time with VFP taught me that.
-- Ed Leafe
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On Dec 20, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
java was OS fifteen years ago just like python. Oracle bought Sun 10 years ago.
It may have been "open source", but it was never free software. Free software lets you do with it whatever you like. For example, if Oracle somehow bought the Python Software Foundation (not very likely), nothing would prevent you from taking your copy of Python and making your own fork. There is simply zero possibility of it ever becoming tied up by some entity.
"Open source" doesn't mean anything if you can't use that source for your own needs.
-- Ed Leafe
Our ERP here at work is all in java. RPITA and full of surprises with respect java version and what will work and what no longer works.
They also do a command line call for all SQL data. I was pretty impressed with that, to be honest.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Ed Leafe ed@leafe.com wrote:
On Dec 20, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
java was OS fifteen years ago just like python. Oracle bought Sun 10
years
ago.
It may have been "open source", but it was never free software. Free software lets you do with it whatever you like. For example, if Oracle somehow bought the Python Software Foundation (not very likely), nothing would prevent you from taking your copy of Python and making your own fork. There is simply zero possibility of it ever becoming tied up by some entity.
"Open source" doesn't mean anything if you can't use that source for your own needs.
-- Ed Leafe
[excessive quoting removed by server]
I didn't know there was a Java licence to compile to.... something like Foxpro distributable? :)
On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
Oracle never letting us down.
"The database giant is understood to have hired 20 individuals globally this year, whose sole job is the pursuit of businesses in breach of their Java licences." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_java_users_non_compli...
For clarity - Java SE remains free for 'general purpose computing' i.e. desktops, notebooks, smartphones and tablets.
It is not free when embedded in phones, network switches and the like.
The Java SE download contains Java SE, Java SE Advanced Desktop, Java SE Advanced and Java SE Suite. If you only use Java SE, then you're fine. If you use one of the other bits, you owe.
One problem is that you can't just download Java SE in isolation. You have to download the whole shebang and then remove the parts that might end up getting you charged. Another problem is that if you have to do big roll-outs you need the advanced installer, and you then owe Oracle.
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