Has anyone heard of this compiler? If so, any comments about it? http://www.baiyujia.com/vfpcompiler/en/default.asp
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Never heard of it at all, or the company but I just installed it on a Win 7 64bit VM and it installed no problem. Seeps to be the real deal.
I'll try and do a few compilations to see how it goes.
Dave
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Has anyone heard of this compiler? If so, any comments about it? http://www.baiyujia.com/vfpcompiler/en/default.asp
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On Tue, 1 Mar 2016, at 02:43 PM, Dave Crozier wrote:
Never heard of it at all, or the company but I just installed it on a Win 7 64bit VM and it installed no problem. Seeps to be the real deal.
As far as I know it isn't a 64-bit Visual FoxPro compiler. It takes a standard EXE built from VFP, then packages it and the runtime support libraries into an encrypted Windows executable. It's a form of containerisation aimed at foiling reverse engineering.
This has been used and discussed on the www.foxite.com site.
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On 01/03/2016 14:25, Wes Wilson wrote:
Has anyone heard of this compiler? If so, any comments about it? http://www.baiyujia.com/vfpcompiler/en/default.asp
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Hi Wes:
There was much debate about this compiler on Foxite, Spanish Google Groups and mainly in UniversalThread (Chen, the Developer, participate in UT forums)
It creates a real 64 bit EXE and solves some VFP bugs, but need the VFP IDE and original runtimes.
In his web there is documentation, but you can search or ask about it in the mentioned forums.
All I heard was good comments about it.
Regards.-
2016-03-01 15:25 GMT+01:00 Wes Wilson erwweswilson@yahoo.com:
Has anyone heard of this compiler? If so, any comments about it? http://www.baiyujia.com/vfpcompiler/en/default.asp
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Has anyone heard of this compiler? If so, any comments about it? http://www.baiyujia.com/vfpcompiler/en/default.asp
It seems to work. However it relies on modified VFP runtime files and disassembly of the original files. There are also modified copyright statements in the product. This might or might not be legal in your country and additionally might require that you get in writing from Microsoft that they won't release a 64-bit version, or fix any of the bugs. That's the case in Europe, anyways.
I'd consult a lawyer that specializes in intellectual property and liability issues, but that's just me.
Any lawyer will probably say it infringes EULA or whatever -- it just does not matter.
VFP EULA was written 20 years ago, when IP on software was still an important deal. The only goal for Microsoft selling dev. S/W was to sell windows. They would have given it away for free if it hadn't killed companies selling other dev. tools for Windows like Borland or Windev. FOSS came around since, and the cloud, and Microsoft no longer cares about IP on dev tools, if ever they really did. They will even release .Net as FOSS. Microsoft has said and written that VFP was a 'niche' market, too small for their business, I don't know how they could convince a court that modifying the VFP runtime can do them any harm. Mr. Chen and others keeping 100s of thousands of software running on Windows is for the whole benefit of Microsoft -- Suing them would be like shooting a bullet in their own foot.
Thierry Nivelet
Le 02/03/2016 09:39, Wollenhaupt, Christof a écrit :
Has anyone heard of this compiler? If so, any comments about it? http://www.baiyujia.com/vfpcompiler/en/default.asp
It seems to work. However it relies on modified VFP runtime files and disassembly of the original files. There are also modified copyright statements in the product. This might or might not be legal in your country and additionally might require that you get in writing from Microsoft that they won't release a 64-bit version, or fix any of the bugs. That's the case in Europe, anyways.
I'd consult a lawyer that specializes in intellectual property and liability issues, but that's just me.
Of course Alan, and you know like me that many IT executive, reading the usual FUD in the media, worry that a future version of Windows could eventually break that; and consider this as a 'serious risk' requiring a re-write, and this will probably not happen for Windows only.
Thierry Nivelet FoxInCloud Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud http://foxincloud.com/
Le 02/03/2016 12:10, Alan Bourke a écrit :
Mr. Chen and others keeping 100s of thousands of software running on Windows
it's running perfectly well on Windows without any intervention, too.
Any lawyer will probably say it infringes EULA or whatever -- it just does not matter.
I disagree... What I personally do and what legal risks I'm willing to take is one thing.
But it's a different matter altogether if I sell this solution to customers, most of which are substantially larger businesses than my own. These customers have volume licenses and get audited by Microsoft, Oracle, etc. Moreover, many countries distinguish between using and distributing. Should using this software be a violation of intellectual property (which is open at this point), then selling solutions might trigger more serious legal consequences.
It's not a matter of whether it's good to have VFP support for 64-bit (which is great), or whether Microsoft has any interest in VFP (they don't). It's a business decision on how much risk you are willing to take on something that is at least a gray area. Sometimes such decisions turn out to be wrong and expensive, as Volkswagen is currently learning.
To me, that's theory of a passed age -- and of course, YMMV
Thierry N.
Le 02/03/2016 14:32, Wollenhaupt, Christof a écrit :
Any lawyer will probably say it infringes EULA or whatever -- it just does not matter.
I disagree... What I personally do and what legal risks I'm willing to take is one thing.
But it's a different matter altogether if I sell this solution to customers, most of which are substantially larger businesses than my own. These customers have volume licenses and get audited by Microsoft, Oracle, etc. Moreover, many countries distinguish between using and distributing. Should using this software be a violation of intellectual property (which is open at this point), then selling solutions might trigger more serious legal consequences.
It's not a matter of whether it's good to have VFP support for 64-bit (which is great), or whether Microsoft has any interest in VFP (they don't). It's a business decision on how much risk you are willing to take on something that is at least a gray area. Sometimes such decisions turn out to be wrong and expensive, as Volkswagen is currently learning.
This is all very interesting, but what advantage is there in running 64-bit VFP?
On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Thierry Nivelet tnivelet@foxincloud.com wrote:
To me, that's theory of a passed age -- and of course, YMMV
Thierry N.
Le 02/03/2016 14:32, Wollenhaupt, Christof a écrit :
Any lawyer will probably say it infringes EULA or whatever -- it just does
not matter.
I disagree... What I personally do and what legal risks I'm willing to
take is one thing.
But it's a different matter altogether if I sell this solution to customers, most of which are substantially larger businesses than my own. These customers have volume licenses and get audited by Microsoft, Oracle, etc. Moreover, many countries distinguish between using and distributing. Should using this software be a violation of intellectual property (which is open at this point), then selling solutions might trigger more serious legal consequences.
It's not a matter of whether it's good to have VFP support for 64-bit (which is great), or whether Microsoft has any interest in VFP (they don't). It's a business decision on how much risk you are willing to take on something that is at least a gray area. Sometimes such decisions turn out to be wrong and expensive, as Volkswagen is currently learning.
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Extend app life beyond the end of 32-bit support
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Le 02/03/2016 19:31, Sytze de Boer a écrit :
This is all very interesting, but what advantage is there in running 64-bit VFP?
And - of course - another way to " Extend app life beyond the end of 32-bit support" is this Fox-in-Cloud stuff that I have heard so much about...
:-)
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Le 02/03/2016 19:31, Sytze de Boer a écrit :
This is all very interesting, but what advantage is there in running 64-bit VFP?
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Le 03/03/2016 16:02, Kurt Wendt a écrit :
And - of course - another way to " Extend app life beyond the end of 32-bit support" is this Fox-in-Cloud stuff that I have heard so much about...
:-)
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At 05:47 2016-03-02, Thierry Nivelet tnivelet@foxincloud.com wrote:
To me, that's theory of a passed age -- and of course, YMMV
Let me point out that similar statements were made before the dot-com crash.
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