This is interesting. When I started with computers in 1977 (TRS-80 Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc. I am a small businessperson who invested time and energy into using computers. I loved it! Now, I am not recognized at all. Either I use canned software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre Office), etc. or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code for others. Neither apply. I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory error with more than enough memory)). Now I am trying Pure Basic. I wonder what happened to the rest of us.
John
On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions.
http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programming-language-sh...
It made for a break from all the shooting-yourself-in-the-footcomparisons.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in BASIC for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me Seriously to get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials - and get my head wrapped around a new language...
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John R. Sowden Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
This is interesting. When I started with computers in 1977 (TRS-80 Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc. I am a small businessperson who invested time and energy into using computers. I loved it! Now, I am not recognized at all. Either I use canned software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre Office), etc. or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code for others. Neither apply. I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory error with more than enough memory)). Now I am trying Pure Basic. I wonder what happened to the rest of us.
John
On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions.
http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programming-lang uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png
It made for a break from all the shooting-yourself-in-the-footcomparisons.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Make it C# would be my opinion.
Javascript, HTML5, CSS, in an MVC environment today.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
Make it C# would be my opinion.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, at 06:21 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in BASIC for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me Seriously to get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials - and get my head wrapped around a new language...
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John R. Sowden Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
This is interesting. When I started with computers in 1977 (TRS-80 Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc. I am a small businessperson who invested time and energy into using computers. I loved it! Now, I am not recognized at all. Either I use canned software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre Office), etc. or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code for others. Neither apply. I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory error with more than enough memory)). Now I am trying Pure Basic. I wonder what happened to the rest of us.
John
On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions.
http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programming-lang uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png
It made for a break from all the shooting-yourself-in-the-footcomparisons.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Great Friday question! All of them! PostScript, Lua, Perl-Compatible Regular Expressions, Bourne Shell Script, PowerScript, COBOL, even FoxPro! It's handy to know a few and dabble in a few more.
You'd expect a home contractor to arrive with a truck full of tools, not just a hammer. In a pinch you can do a lot with a hammer, but you wouldn't want a house that was built with nothing else. A professional who knows one language is a one-trick pony.
ProagProg has their "Learn Seven" books, worth considering:
https://pragprog.com/book/btlang/seven-languages-in-seven-weeks https://pragprog.com/book/rwdata/seven-databases-in-seven-weeks https://pragprog.com/book/7web/seven-web-frameworks-in-seven-weeks
... and more (search for "seven")
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
Javascript, HTML5, CSS, in an MVC environment today.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
Make it C# would be my opinion.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, at 06:21 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in BASIC for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me Seriously to get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials - and get my head wrapped around a new language...
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John R. Sowden Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
This is interesting. When I started with computers in 1977 (TRS-80 Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc. I am a small businessperson who invested time and energy into using computers. I loved it! Now, I am not recognized at all. Either I use canned software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre Office), etc. or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code for others. Neither apply. I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory error with more than enough memory)). Now I am trying Pure Basic. I wonder what happened to the rest of us.
John
On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions.
http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programming-lang uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png
It made for a break from all the shooting-yourself-in-the-footcomparisons.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Some people consider programming languages to be religions:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090925003524/http://www.aegisub.net:80/2008/12/...
Though we know it's far more important than that.
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
Great Friday question! All of them! PostScript, Lua, Perl-Compatible Regular Expressions, Bourne Shell Script, PowerScript, COBOL, even FoxPro! It's handy to know a few and dabble in a few more.
You'd expect a home contractor to arrive with a truck full of tools, not just a hammer. In a pinch you can do a lot with a hammer, but you wouldn't want a house that was built with nothing else. A professional who knows one language is a one-trick pony.
ProagProg has their "Learn Seven" books, worth considering:
https://pragprog.com/book/btlang/seven-languages-in-seven-weeks https://pragprog.com/book/rwdata/seven-databases-in-seven-weeks https://pragprog.com/book/7web/seven-web-frameworks-in-seven-weeks
... and more (search for "seven")
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
Javascript, HTML5, CSS, in an MVC environment today.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
Make it C# would be my opinion.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, at 06:21 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in BASIC for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me Seriously to get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials - and get my head wrapped around a new language...
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John R. Sowden Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
This is interesting. When I started with computers in 1977 (TRS-80 Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc. I am a small businessperson who invested time and energy into using computers. I loved it! Now, I am not recognized at all. Either I use canned software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre Office), etc. or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code for others. Neither apply. I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory error with more than enough memory)). Now I am trying Pure Basic. I wonder what happened to the rest of us.
John
On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions.
http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programming-lang uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png
It made for a break from all the shooting-yourself-in-the-footcomparisons.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
[excessive quoting removed by server]
+1 That's pretty funny! Thanks for the laugh, Ted!
Mike
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 5:19 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
Some people consider programming languages to be religions:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090925003524/http://www.aegisub.net:80/2008/12/ if-programming-languages-were-religions.html
Though we know it's far more important than that.
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
Great Friday question! All of them! PostScript, Lua, Perl-Compatible Regular Expressions, Bourne Shell Script, PowerScript, COBOL, even FoxPro! It's handy to know a few and dabble in a few more.
You'd expect a home contractor to arrive with a truck full of tools, not just a hammer. In a pinch you can do a lot with a hammer, but you wouldn't want a house that was built with nothing else. A professional who knows one language is a one-trick pony.
ProagProg has their "Learn Seven" books, worth considering:
https://pragprog.com/book/btlang/seven-languages-in-seven-weeks https://pragprog.com/book/rwdata/seven-databases-in-seven-weeks https://pragprog.com/book/7web/seven-web-frameworks-in-seven-weeks
... and more (search for "seven")
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com
wrote:
Javascript, HTML5, CSS, in an MVC environment today.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
Make it C# would be my opinion.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, at 06:21 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in BASIC for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me Seriously to get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials
- and get my head wrapped around a new language...
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John R. Sowden Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
This is interesting. When I started with computers in 1977 (TRS-80 Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc. I am a small businessperson who invested time and energy into
using computers.
I loved it! Now, I am not recognized at all. Either I use canned software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre Office), etc. or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code for
others.
Neither apply. I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory error with more than enough memory)). Now I am trying Pure Basic. I wonder what happened to the rest of us.
John
On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions.
http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programmin g-lang uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png
It made for a break from all theshooting-yourself-in-the-foot comparisons.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Ted - just curious. Ur comment re:'a home contractor' - was that in ref to me? Since, now - @ my day job - I'm an employee and no longer a consultant...
-K-
On 6/18/2016 8:07 AM, Ted Roche wrote:
Great Friday question! All of them! PostScript, Lua, Perl-Compatible Regular Expressions, Bourne Shell Script, PowerScript, COBOL, even FoxPro! It's handy to know a few and dabble in a few more.
You'd expect a home contractor to arrive with a truck full of tools, not just a hammer. In a pinch you can do a lot with a hammer, but you wouldn't want a house that was built with nothing else. A professional who knows one language is a one-trick pony.
ProagProg has their "Learn Seven" books, worth considering:
https://pragprog.com/book/btlang/seven-languages-in-seven-weeks https://pragprog.com/book/rwdata/seven-databases-in-seven-weeks https://pragprog.com/book/7web/seven-web-frameworks-in-seven-weeks
... and more (search for "seven")
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
Javascript, HTML5, CSS, in an MVC environment today.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
Make it C# would be my opinion.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, at 06:21 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in BASIC for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me Seriously to get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials - and get my head wrapped around a new language...
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John R. Sowden Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
This is interesting. When I started with computers in 1977 (TRS-80 Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc. I am a small businessperson who invested time and energy into using computers. I loved it! Now, I am not recognized at all. Either I use canned software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre Office), etc. or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code for others. Neither apply. I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory error with more than enough memory)). Now I am trying Pure Basic. I wonder what happened to the rest of us.
John
On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions.
http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programming-lang uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png
It made for a break from all the shooting-yourself-in-the-footcomparisons.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
[excessive quoting removed by server]
DARN - I hate when this happens. I type an e-mail reply - but, forget to send it - and have other windows in front of it. So - now - 3 days later - I see I didn't send it! So - here goes...
I totally agree with you Alan.
Funny thing is - a while ago - they were a purely VB shop. Then - some of the systems folks here started having an argument about what to develop in. The CTO then put out the word via e-mail, re:VB vs. C#. Which then had more people arguing. So - then he called a meeting of the entire systems dept. - like about 30 people - and we argued in a conference room. Kinda funny - since one guy says this other guy in the group had ALREADY been doing coding in C# - when we were supposed to be a VB shop. So - in the end - the CTO decided to let Each Programmer decide what they would prefer to code in. So - now we are officially a 2 language shop!
:-)
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:40 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
Make it C# would be my opinion.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, at 06:21 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in BASIC for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me Seriously to get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials - and get my head wrapped around a new language...
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John R. Sowden Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
This is interesting. When I started with computers in 1977 (TRS-80 Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc. I am a small businessperson who invested time and energy into using computers. I loved it! Now, I am not recognized at all. Either I use canned software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre Office), etc. or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code for others. Neither apply. I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory error with more than enough memory)). Now I am trying Pure Basic. I wonder what happened to the rest of us.
John
On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions.
http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programming-la ng uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png
It made for a break from all the shooting-yourself-in-the-footcomparisons.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
[excessive quoting removed by server]
If you're using .NET, then it doesn't really matter - it all ends up with the sane CLR.
Laurie
On 20 June 2016 at 18:33, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:
DARN - I hate when this happens. I type an e-mail reply - but, forget to send it - and have other windows in front of it. So - now - 3 days later - I see I didn't send it! So - here goes...
I totally agree with you Alan.
Funny thing is - a while ago - they were a purely VB shop. Then - some of the systems folks here started having an argument about what to develop in. The CTO then put out the word via e-mail, re:VB vs. C#. Which then had more people arguing. So - then he called a meeting of the entire systems dept. - like about 30 people - and we argued in a conference room. Kinda funny - since one guy says this other guy in the group had ALREADY been doing coding in C# - when we were supposed to be a VB shop. So - in the end - the CTO decided to let Each Programmer decide what they would prefer to code in. So - now we are officially a 2 language shop!
:-)
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:40 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
Make it C# would be my opinion.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, at 06:21 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in BASIC for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me Seriously to get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials - and get my head wrapped around a new language...
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John R. Sowden Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
This is interesting. When I started with computers in 1977 (TRS-80 Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc. I am a small businessperson who invested time and energy into using computers. I loved it! Now, I am not recognized at all. Either I use canned software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre Office), etc. or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code for
others.
Neither apply. I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory error with more than enough memory)). Now I am trying Pure Basic. I wonder what happened to the rest of us.
John
On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions.
http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programming-la ng uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png
It made for a break from all the shooting-yourself-in-the-footcomparisons.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
[excessive quoting removed by server]
What she said.
Outside of { } and capitalization rules there is very little difference between the two. I have an old VB all to maintain as well as a few C# that I put together.
C# doesn't have a " with " like VB and VFP do.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Laurie Alvey trukker41@gmail.com wrote:
If you're using .NET, then it doesn't really matter - it all ends up with the sane CLR.
Laurie
On 20 June 2016 at 18:33, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:
DARN - I hate when this happens. I type an e-mail reply - but, forget to send it - and have other windows in front of it. So - now - 3 days later
I see I didn't send it! So - here goes...
I totally agree with you Alan.
Funny thing is - a while ago - they were a purely VB shop. Then - some of the systems folks here started having an argument about what to develop
in.
The CTO then put out the word via e-mail, re:VB vs. C#. Which then had
more
people arguing. So - then he called a meeting of the entire systems
dept. -
like about 30 people - and we argued in a conference room. Kinda funny - since one guy says this other guy in the group had ALREADY been doing coding in C# - when we were supposed to be a VB shop. So - in the end -
the
CTO decided to let Each Programmer decide what they would prefer to code in. So - now we are officially a 2 language shop!
:-)
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:40 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
Make it C# would be my opinion.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, at 06:21 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in BASIC for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me Seriously to get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials - and get my head wrapped around a new language...
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John R. Sowden Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
This is interesting. When I started with computers in 1977 (TRS-80 Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc. I am a small businessperson who invested time and energy into using
computers.
I loved it! Now, I am not recognized at all. Either I use canned software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre Office), etc. or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code for
others.
Neither apply. I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory error with more than enough memory)). Now I am trying Pure Basic. I wonder what happened to the rest of us.
John
On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions.
http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programming-la ng uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png
It made for a break from all the shooting-yourself-in-the-footcomparisons.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
[excessive quoting removed by server]
But it does have _Using_ ... unlike VB and VFP
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: 20 June 2016 19:00 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
What she said.
Outside of { } and capitalization rules there is very little difference between the two. I have an old VB all to maintain as well as a few C# that I put together.
C# doesn't have a " with " like VB and VFP do.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Laurie Alvey trukker41@gmail.com wrote:
If you're using .NET, then it doesn't really matter - it all ends up with the sane CLR.
Laurie
On 20 June 2016 at 18:33, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:
DARN - I hate when this happens. I type an e-mail reply - but, forget to send it - and have other windows in front of it. So - now
- 3 days later
I see I didn't send it! So - here goes...
I totally agree with you Alan.
Funny thing is - a while ago - they were a purely VB shop. Then - some of the systems folks here started having an argument about what to develop
in.
The CTO then put out the word via e-mail, re:VB vs. C#. Which then had
more
people arguing. So - then he called a meeting of the entire systems
dept. -
like about 30 people - and we argued in a conference room. Kinda funny - since one guy says this other guy in the group had ALREADY been doing coding in C# - when we were supposed to be a VB shop. So
- in the end -
the
CTO decided to let Each Programmer decide what they would prefer to code in. So - now we are officially a 2 language shop!
:-)
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:40 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
Make it C# would be my opinion.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, at 06:21 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in BASIC for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me Seriously to get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials
- and get my head wrapped around a new language...
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John R. Sowden Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
This is interesting. When I started with computers in 1977 (TRS-80 Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc. I am a small businessperson who invested time and energy into using
computers.
I loved it! Now, I am not recognized at all. Either I use canned software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre Office), etc. or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code for
others.
Neither apply. I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory error with more than enough memory)). Now I am trying Pure Basic. I wonder what happened to the rest of us.
John
On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions.
http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programmin g-la ng uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png
It made for a break from all theshooting-yourself-in-the-foot comparisons.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
[excessive quoting removed by server]
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016, at 08:35 AM, Paul Newton wrote:
But it does have _Using_ ... unlike VB and VFP
Although C# 'using' is different in that it is a shorthand for disposing of IDisposable objects properly whereas 'With' in VFP is just shorthand to avoid typing.
True Alan ... AND I should have written _using_ NOT _Using_ as you so tactfully pointed out :)
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: 21 June 2016 08:42 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016, at 08:35 AM, Paul Newton wrote:
But it does have _Using_ ... unlike VB and VFP
Although C# 'using' is different in that it is a shorthand for disposing of IDisposable objects properly whereas 'With' in VFP is just shorthand to avoid typing.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Except it does matter if the frameworks and tooling don't support VB, for example in the next Asp.Net
That - and from what I have heard - there is a LOT More learning support of C# as opposed to VB. Seems Many figure VB is on the way out - which are the reasons for which I would rather move in the C#. With or Without the With!
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 2:30 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
Except it does matter if the frameworks and tooling don't support VB, for example in the next Asp.Net
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016, at 06:55 PM, Laurie Alvey wrote:
If you're using .NET, then it doesn't really matter - it all ends up with the sane CLR.
Laurie
On 20 June 2016 at 18:33, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:
DARN - I hate when this happens. I type an e-mail reply - but, forget to send it - and have other windows in front of it. So - now
- 3 days later - I see I didn't send it! So - here goes...
I totally agree with you Alan.
Funny thing is - a while ago - they were a purely VB shop. Then - some of the systems folks here started having an argument about what to develop in. The CTO then put out the word via e-mail, re:VB vs. C#. Which then had more people arguing. So - then he called a meeting of the entire systems dept. - like about 30 people - and we argued in a conference room. Kinda funny - since one guy says this other guy in the group had ALREADY been doing coding in C# - when we were supposed to be a VB shop. So - in the end - the CTO decided to let Each Programmer decide what they would prefer to code in. So - now we are officially a 2 language shop!
:-)
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:40 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
Make it C# would be my opinion.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, at 06:21 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in BASIC for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me Seriously to get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials
- and get my head wrapped around a new language...
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John R. Sowden Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
This is interesting. When I started with computers in 1977 (TRS-80 Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc. I am a small businessperson who invested time and energy into using computers. I loved it! Now, I am not recognized at all. Either I use canned software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre Office), etc. or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code for
others.
Neither apply. I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory error with more than enough memory)). Now I am trying Pure Basic. I wonder what happened to the rest of us.
John
On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions.
http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programmin g-la ng uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png
It made for a break from all theshooting-yourself-in-the-foot comparisons.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Ha ha - Gotcha. Although - whereas - VFP was officially shot by a firing squad publicly - VB has yet to be publicly Killed! :-)
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 6:17 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
On 2016-06-20 14:35, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Seems Many figure VB is on the way out
Where have we heard that before. <gd&r>
[excessive quoting removed by server]
On 21 June 2016 at 15:13, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:
Ha ha - Gotcha. Although - whereas - VFP was officially shot by a firing squad publicly - VB has yet to be publicly Killed! :-)
VB was killed about a year after Fox. VB.NET is nothing like VB.
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016, at 04:27 PM, Paul Hill wrote:
VB was killed about a year after Fox
Except crucially the VB6 runtimes have 'It Just Works' status meaning they will continue to work in future versions of Windows.
As microsoft said windows 10 is the last windows, no i didn't get that one either, and VFP works with windows 10, no problem Al
-----Original Message----- From: Alan Bourke Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 1:38 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016, at 04:27 PM, Paul Hill wrote:
VB was killed about a year after Fox
Except crucially the VB6 runtimes have 'It Just Works' status meaning they will continue to work in future versions of Windows.
EXACTLY!!! Our VFP apps should live for quite a long time yet.
On 2016-06-22 07:51, Allen wrote:
As microsoft said windows 10 is the last windows, no i didn't get that one either, and VFP works with windows 10, no problem Al
-----Original Message----- From: Alan Bourke Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 1:38 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016, at 04:27 PM, Paul Hill wrote:
VB was killed about a year after Fox
Except crucially the VB6 runtimes have 'It Just Works' status meaning they will continue to work in future versions of Windows.
[excessive quoting removed by server]
A lot of companies, notably of small and medium sizes, invested heavily in writing VB applications for company use!
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016, at 04:27 PM, Paul Hill wrote:
VB was killed about a year after Fox
Except crucially the VB6 runtimes have 'It Just Works' status meaning they will continue to work in future versions of Windows.
Left a company over their inability to consider porting from an OVERLOADED VB6 app into something more modern. We needed to validate price lists off the web to get workers comp insurance payment values and that VB6 app couldn't do it. We had a lot more issues like processing time on the SQL server but that is another story altogether.
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:54 AM, Man-wai Chang changmw@gmail.com wrote:
A lot of companies, notably of small and medium sizes, invested heavily in writing VB applications for company use!
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016, at 04:27 PM, Paul Hill wrote:
VB was killed about a year after Fox
Except crucially the VB6 runtimes have 'It Just Works' status meaning they will continue to work in future versions of Windows.
-- .~. Might, Courage, Vision. SINCERITY! / v \ 64-bit Ubuntu 9.10 (Linux kernel 2.6.39.3) /( _ )\ http://sites.google.com/site/changmw ^ ^ May the Force and farces be with you!
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Alan I took to C# from the get go so I don't consider it an issue for me but a good point to be aware of.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
Except it does matter if the frameworks and tooling don't support VB, for example in the next Asp.Net
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016, at 06:55 PM, Laurie Alvey wrote:
If you're using .NET, then it doesn't really matter - it all ends up with the sane CLR.
Laurie
On 20 June 2016 at 18:33, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:
DARN - I hate when this happens. I type an e-mail reply - but, forget
to
send it - and have other windows in front of it. So - now - 3 days
later -
I see I didn't send it! So - here goes...
I totally agree with you Alan.
Funny thing is - a while ago - they were a purely VB shop. Then - some
of
the systems folks here started having an argument about what to
develop in.
The CTO then put out the word via e-mail, re:VB vs. C#. Which then had
more
people arguing. So - then he called a meeting of the entire systems
dept. -
like about 30 people - and we argued in a conference room. Kinda funny
since one guy says this other guy in the group had ALREADY been doing coding in C# - when we were supposed to be a VB shop. So - in the end
- the
CTO decided to let Each Programmer decide what they would prefer to
code
in. So - now we are officially a 2 language shop!
:-)
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of
Alan
Bourke Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:40 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
Make it C# would be my opinion.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, at 06:21 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in BASIC for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me Seriously
to
get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials - and get my head wrapped around a new language...
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John R. Sowden Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
This is interesting. When I started with computers in 1977 (TRS-80 Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc. I am a small businessperson who invested time and energy into using
computers.
I loved it! Now, I am not recognized at all. Either I use canned software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre Office), etc. or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code
for
others.
Neither apply. I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory error with more than enough memory)). Now I am trying Pure Basic. I
wonder
what happened to the rest of us.
John
On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions.
http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programming-la
ng uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png
It made for a break from all the shooting-yourself-in-the-footcomparisons.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
[excessive quoting removed by server]
If we're talking about choices in programming languages, we ought to point out that there's more than one type of programmer, too:
https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-two-types-of-programmers/
https://blog.codinghorror.com/mort-elvis-einstein-and-you/
"There's 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't"
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
Alan I took to C# from the get go so I don't consider it an issue for me but a good point to be aware of.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
Except it does matter if the frameworks and tooling don't support VB, for example in the next Asp.Net
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016, at 06:55 PM, Laurie Alvey wrote:
If you're using .NET, then it doesn't really matter - it all ends up with the sane CLR.
Laurie
On 20 June 2016 at 18:33, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:
DARN - I hate when this happens. I type an e-mail reply - but, forget
to
send it - and have other windows in front of it. So - now - 3 days
later -
I see I didn't send it! So - here goes...
I totally agree with you Alan.
Funny thing is - a while ago - they were a purely VB shop. Then - some
of
the systems folks here started having an argument about what to
develop in.
The CTO then put out the word via e-mail, re:VB vs. C#. Which then had
more
people arguing. So - then he called a meeting of the entire systems
dept. -
like about 30 people - and we argued in a conference room. Kinda funny
since one guy says this other guy in the group had ALREADY been doing coding in C# - when we were supposed to be a VB shop. So - in the end
- the
CTO decided to let Each Programmer decide what they would prefer to
code
in. So - now we are officially a 2 language shop!
:-)
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of
Alan
Bourke Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:40 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
Make it C# would be my opinion.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, at 06:21 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in BASIC for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me Seriously
to
get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials - and get my head wrapped around a new language...
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John R. Sowden Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
This is interesting. When I started with computers in 1977 (TRS-80 Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc. I am a small businessperson who invested time and energy into using
computers.
I loved it! Now, I am not recognized at all. Either I use canned software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre Office), etc. or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code
for
others.
Neither apply. I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory error with more than enough memory)). Now I am trying Pure Basic. I
wonder
what happened to the rest of us.
John
On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote: > With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions. > >
http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programming-la
> ng uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png >
It made for a break from all the shooting-yourself-in-the-footcomparisons.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Elvis has left the building.
When I first got to Memphis almost 30 years ago my wife worked by former friends of E. I learned a lot about the guy listening to them talk about how Elvis would just be the cool friend. Only had a little more money than everyone else and didn't let that get in the way.
The description the blog follow up had sounded close to what the man was like. If you liked to sing, my wife is a diva so I heard a lot of those stories, he would have worked with friends and family getting opinions on what was right as well as what needed to be fixed in a song. Or just sing with everyone as long as they could through the night.
That being said he worked his craft like we read about Edison because at that time he was making or rewriting music theory.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
If we're talking about choices in programming languages, we ought to point out that there's more than one type of programmer, too:
https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-two-types-of-programmers/
https://blog.codinghorror.com/mort-elvis-einstein-and-you/
"There's 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't"
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Stephen Russell srussell705@gmail.com wrote:
Alan I took to C# from the get go so I don't consider it an issue for me but a good point to be aware of.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
Except it does matter if the frameworks and tooling don't support VB, for example in the next Asp.Net
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016, at 06:55 PM, Laurie Alvey wrote:
If you're using .NET, then it doesn't really matter - it all ends up
with
the sane CLR.
Laurie
On 20 June 2016 at 18:33, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:
DARN - I hate when this happens. I type an e-mail reply - but,
forget
to
send it - and have other windows in front of it. So - now - 3 days
later -
I see I didn't send it! So - here goes...
I totally agree with you Alan.
Funny thing is - a while ago - they were a purely VB shop. Then -
some
of
the systems folks here started having an argument about what to
develop in.
The CTO then put out the word via e-mail, re:VB vs. C#. Which then
had
more
people arguing. So - then he called a meeting of the entire systems
dept. -
like about 30 people - and we argued in a conference room. Kinda
funny
since one guy says this other guy in the group had ALREADY been
doing
coding in C# - when we were supposed to be a VB shop. So - in the
end
- the
CTO decided to let Each Programmer decide what they would prefer to
code
in. So - now we are officially a 2 language shop!
:-)
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of
Alan
Bourke Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:40 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
Make it C# would be my opinion.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, at 06:21 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in
BASIC
for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me
Seriously
to
get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials
and get my head wrapped around a new language...
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
Tel. +1-212-747-9100 www.GlobeTax.com
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of
John R. Sowden Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
This is interesting. When I started with computers in 1977
(TRS-80
Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc.
I am
a small businessperson who invested time and energy into using
computers.
I loved it! Now, I am not recognized at all. Either I use canned software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre Office), etc. or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code
for
others.
Neither apply. I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory
error
with more than enough memory)). Now I am trying Pure Basic. I
wonder
what happened to the rest of us.
John
On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: > At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm
wrote:
>> With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions. >> >>
http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programming-la
>> ng uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png >> > > It made for a break from all the
shooting-yourself-in-the-foot
> comparisons. > > Sincerely, > > Gene Wirchenko > >
[excessive quoting removed by server]
On 20/06/2016 19:51, Ted Roche wrote:
"There's 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't"
Actually there are II kinds of people in the world, those who understand Roman numerals, and those who don't.
Peter
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No, not correct.
There are 3 kinds of people in the world, people who can count and people who can't
;-) Dave
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On 20/06/2016 19:51, Ted Roche wrote:
"There's 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't"
Actually there are II kinds of people in the world, those who understand Roman numerals, and those who don't.
Peter
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And what about the other two? Al
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Crozier Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 11:00 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
No, not correct.
There are 3 kinds of people in the world, people who can count and people who can't
;-) Dave
Better leave those 'Wurst' alone Al
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Allen profox@gatwicksoftware.com wrote:
And what about the other two? Al
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Crozier Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 11:00 AM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
No, not correct.
There are 3 kinds of people in the world, people who can count and people who can't
;-) Dave
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Good advice JM Al
-----Original Message----- From: Jean Laeremans Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 1:00 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
Better leave those 'Wurst' alone Al
I'll take a white one please.
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Allen profox@gatwicksoftware.com wrote:
Good advice JM Al
-----Original Message----- From: Jean Laeremans Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 1:00 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn? Better leave those 'Wurst' alone Al
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As opposed to the same INSANE CLR?
-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Alvey Sent: 20 June 2016 18:56 To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
If you're using .NET, then it doesn't really matter - it all ends up with the sane CLR.
Laurie
On 20 June 2016 at 18:33, Kurt Wendt Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com wrote:
DARN - I hate when this happens. I type an e-mail reply - but, forget to send it - and have other windows in front of it. So - now - 3 days later - I see I didn't send it! So - here goes...
I totally agree with you Alan.
Funny thing is - a while ago - they were a purely VB shop. Then - some of the systems folks here started having an argument about what to develop in. The CTO then put out the word via e-mail, re:VB vs. C#. Which then had more people arguing. So - then he called a meeting of the entire systems dept. - like about 30 people - and we argued in a conference room. Kinda funny - since one guy says this other guy in the group had ALREADY been doing coding in C# - when we were supposed to be a VB shop. So - in the end - the CTO decided to let Each Programmer decide what they would prefer to code in. So - now we are officially a 2 language shop!
:-)
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
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-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:40 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
Make it C# would be my opinion.
-- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, at 06:21 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in BASIC for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me Seriously to get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials - and get my head wrapped around a new language...
Regards, Kurt Wendt Senior Systems Analyst
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-----Original Message----- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John R. Sowden Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM To: profoxtech@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
This is interesting. When I started with computers in 1977 (TRS-80 Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc. I am a small businessperson who invested time and energy into using computers. I loved it! Now, I am not recognized at all. Either I use canned software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre Office), etc. or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code for
others.
Neither apply. I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory error with more than enough memory)). Now I am trying Pure Basic. I wonder what happened to the rest of us.
John
On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke alanpbourke@fastmail.fm wrote:
With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions.
http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programming- la ng uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png
It made for a break from all theshooting-yourself-in-the-foot comparisons.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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