One of our office workstations has been very unhappy since the shutdown Tuesday asked to install updates.
Dell Precision M6800 Workstation i7 2.80GHz, 16 Gb RAM, dual 1Gb HDDs Windows 10 Pro Version 1607 (14393.1593)
Got the usual "Updating..." when restarting this morning. And waited, and waited.
Restarting was sluggish, WiFi kept starting and stopping, After patiently waiting a few minutes, shut down cold and restarted. Worked okay for a while.
Later, "Restart Now or Restart Later?" revealed that some of the recent updates STILL were not successfully installed. Restarted.
Lather, rinse and repeat the above three times.
Attempting to persuade the ever-patient associate not to throw her machine out the window. "That's why they call it Windows," right?
Nothing obvious in the error logs. No disk errors.
Next step will likely be to attempt to restore from the previous rescue point which, in my limited experience of a dozen or so attempts, never works.
Ideas? Suggestions? Mocking?
I would roll back the updates individually, then reboot to see if that helped. CONTROL PANEL UPDATE AND SECURITY UPDATE HISTORY UNINSTALL UPDATES
Look for the most recent "Installed on" and start un-installing.
Only other idea would be to make sure all the drivers (video, chipset, NIC, etc) are as up-to-date as possible.
Mike Copeland
Ted Roche wrote:
One of our office workstations has been very unhappy since the shutdown Tuesday asked to install updates.
Dell Precision M6800 Workstation i7 2.80GHz, 16 Gb RAM, dual 1Gb HDDs Windows 10 Pro Version 1607 (14393.1593)
Got the usual "Updating..." when restarting this morning. And waited, and waited.
Restarting was sluggish, WiFi kept starting and stopping, After patiently waiting a few minutes, shut down cold and restarted. Worked okay for a while.
Later, "Restart Now or Restart Later?" revealed that some of the recent updates STILL were not successfully installed. Restarted.
Lather, rinse and repeat the above three times.
Attempting to persuade the ever-patient associate not to throw her machine out the window. "That's why they call it Windows," right?
Nothing obvious in the error logs. No disk errors.
Next step will likely be to attempt to restore from the previous rescue point which, in my limited experience of a dozen or so attempts, never works.
Ideas? Suggestions? Mocking?
On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Mike mike@ggisoft.com wrote:
I would roll back the updates individually, then reboot to see if that helped. CONTROL PANEL UPDATE AND SECURITY UPDATE HISTORY UNINSTALL UPDATES
Look for the most recent "Installed on" and start un-installing.
Sorted on the "Installed On" date and got 90 (NINETY!) "Update for Microsoft Office 2013" -- yikes!
Only other idea would be to make sure all the drivers (video, chipset, NIC, etc) are as up-to-date as possible.
Did that last month before applying the Creator's Update.
I would just reboot it again.
Every couple of months I'll get a call on a Wednesday that my software is slow, and every time I tell them to reboot the servers and everything is OK. I've never seen it ask for another restart before. Now i send them an email on Tuesday to reboot their servers on Wednesday, if it's slow.
From: Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com To: "profox@leafe.com" profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 8:14 PM Subject: [NF] Windows updates August problems?
One of our office workstations has been very unhappy since the shutdown Tuesday asked to install updates.
Dell Precision M6800 Workstation i7 2.80GHz, 16 Gb RAM, dual 1Gb HDDs Windows 10 Pro Version 1607 (14393.1593)
Got the usual "Updating..." when restarting this morning. And waited, and waited.
Restarting was sluggish, WiFi kept starting and stopping, After patiently waiting a few minutes, shut down cold and restarted. Worked okay for a while.
Later, "Restart Now or Restart Later?" revealed that some of the recent updates STILL were not successfully installed. Restarted.
Lather, rinse and repeat the above three times.
Attempting to persuade the ever-patient associate not to throw her machine out the window. "That's why they call it Windows," right?
Nothing obvious in the error logs. No disk errors.
Next step will likely be to attempt to restore from the previous rescue point which, in my limited experience of a dozen or so attempts, never works.
Ideas? Suggestions? Mocking?
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael Madigan mmadi10699@yahoo.com wrote:
I would just reboot it again.
Every couple of months I'll get a call on a Wednesday that my software is slow, and every time I tell them to reboot the servers and everything is OK. I've never seen it ask for another restart before. Now i send them an email on Tuesday to reboot their servers on Wednesday, if it's slow.
Good idea. I've pretty much worn out the power switch. Windows ALWAYS should be rebooted after updates, I think, because the MS engineers just don't understand how all the caching and retained-in-memory.-DLLs and write caching and such actually work in the real world of heterogenous machines, OSes, etc.
The biggest problem with this one is all the background processes. With a high-end processor, too much RAM and HDD, the machine loads ~100 processes at startup, and stuff starts updating and caching and so forth. Without digging into the Task Manager, there's no clue to the operator that anything is happening other than the machine is really slow and unresponsive.
One of our clients calls after every second Tuesday complaining the app fails on startup with an "goDataManager is not an object error" message, despite the fact that we've told them for 10 years that means a network share is disconnected, and they should go into their Windows Explorer and click on the red X's
On 10/08/2017 11:41, Ted Roche wrote:
One of our clients calls after every second Tuesday complaining the app fails on startup with an "goDataManager is not an object error" message, despite the fact that we've told them for 10 years that means a network share is disconnected, and they should go into their Windows Explorer and click on the red X's
I'd tell them to restart the machine if this happens. It's easier for them to remember ;-)
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"Good morning, IT: Have you tried turning it off and back on again?"
It would be easier, but it takes so long for them to get their workstations set up, logged in, etc.
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On 10/08/2017 11:41, Ted Roche wrote:
One of our clients calls after every second Tuesday complaining the app fails on startup with an "goDataManager is not an object error" message, despite the fact that we've told them for 10 years that means a network share is disconnected, and they should go into their Windows Explorer and click on the red X's
I'd tell them to restart the machine if this happens. It's easier for them to remember ;-)
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Follow-up: I disabled 802.11ac on the 5 Ghz band on the router and the laptop stabilized. Go ahead, you explain it.
A friend tells me that one of the "features" shipped in this month's Monthly Update was a re-ordering of the priorities for accessing protocols on the Wifi, and that might cause problems if your WiFi adapter or router offers some protocols but they're not well-implemented/broken.
Perhaps this clue might help someone.
On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
One of our office workstations has been very unhappy since the shutdown Tuesday asked to install updates.
Dell Precision M6800 Workstation i7 2.80GHz, 16 Gb RAM, dual 1Gb HDDs Windows 10 Pro Version 1607 (14393.1593)
Got the usual "Updating..." when restarting this morning. And waited, and waited.
Restarting was sluggish, WiFi kept starting and stopping, After patiently waiting a few minutes, shut down cold and restarted. Worked okay for a while.
Later, "Restart Now or Restart Later?" revealed that some of the recent updates STILL were not successfully installed. Restarted.
Lather, rinse and repeat the above three times.
Attempting to persuade the ever-patient associate not to throw her machine out the window. "That's why they call it Windows," right?
Nothing obvious in the error logs. No disk errors.
Next step will likely be to attempt to restore from the previous rescue point which, in my limited experience of a dozen or so attempts, never works.
Ideas? Suggestions? Mocking?
-- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com
Thanks for the heads up Ted. Don't think it'll help my problem at home, my ISP just sucks.. (COX) Though for commercial, it does better, but still has issues.
Fred
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
Follow-up: I disabled 802.11ac on the 5 Ghz band on the router and the laptop stabilized. Go ahead, you explain it.
A friend tells me that one of the "features" shipped in this month's Monthly Update was a re-ordering of the priorities for accessing protocols on the Wifi, and that might cause problems if your WiFi adapter or router offers some protocols but they're not well-implemented/broken.
Perhaps this clue might help someone.
On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
One of our office workstations has been very unhappy since the shutdown Tuesday asked to install updates.
Dell Precision M6800 Workstation i7 2.80GHz, 16 Gb RAM, dual 1Gb HDDs Windows 10 Pro Version 1607 (14393.1593)
Got the usual "Updating..." when restarting this morning. And waited, and waited.
Restarting was sluggish, WiFi kept starting and stopping, After patiently waiting a few minutes, shut down cold and restarted. Worked okay for a while.
Later, "Restart Now or Restart Later?" revealed that some of the recent updates STILL were not successfully installed. Restarted.
Lather, rinse and repeat the above three times.
Attempting to persuade the ever-patient associate not to throw her machine out the window. "That's why they call it Windows," right?
Nothing obvious in the error logs. No disk errors.
Next step will likely be to attempt to restore from the previous rescue point which, in my limited experience of a dozen or so attempts, never works.
Ideas? Suggestions? Mocking?
-- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com
-- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com
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