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Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
by Gene Wirchenko 08 Nov '16

08 Nov '16

At 11:30 2016-11-04, Ted Roche <tedroche(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Kurt Wendt <Kurt_Wendt(a)globetax.com> wrote: [snip] > > Myself - never really worked within Frameworks. They just weren't > used on the various jobs I worked at. I did work on this one system > - where they guy had created Classes - and I used his existing > classes to create new screens. But, that's about it... > >That's the general consensus, it seems. Interesting. At various times, there has been a lot of talk about frameworks. I got to feeling that I was unusual in not using one. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko

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[OT] - Anything going on?
by Adam Buckland 08 Nov '16

08 Nov '16

Is there???

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Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
by Ted Roche 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

I've been an advocate for frameworks since I read the original Codebook book, sitting in a parking lot in Cambridge (our fair city), Massachusetts. Imagine starting an application and not having to worry about how to get the menu working (Help, About, Copy/Cut/Paste, Print settings) and getting basic dialogs for things like managing reports, managing state between multiple non-modal forms, a rational (usually!) set of strategies for data handling, locking, conflict resolution, primary key generation, relational integrity, grids on tabbed pageframes, etc. I think frameworks are a great tool for fast startups, well-documented base classes, and handy utilities. Please feel free to disagree. In the 90's I was the manager for a group of developers and we worked as "experts" with clients with pre-existing apps, or designed and developed apps on our own. As such we got a lot of exposure to most of the frameworks. Drew Speedie (RIP!) started MaxFrame, now "Professional" while working as tech editor on Hacker's Guide, and I was an early and eager beta-tester, also shipping one of the first client-server MaxFrame apps. We worked with Visual Extend and with Mere Mortals and others. Sadly, I never got to work with FoxExpress, although I have the greatest of respect for Mike and Toni's knowledge and skills. So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)? __ Built my own __ Whatever the client runs __ Codebook __ COMCodebook __ MaxFrame Professional __ Visual Express __ Visual Extend __ Mere Mortals __ VFP Foundation Classes __ Visual ProMatrix __ Mere Mortals __ Other (please specify) __ All of the Above -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com

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RE: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
by Gene Wirchenko 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

At 07:40 2016-11-07, Dave Crozier <DaveC(a)Flexipol.co.uk> wrote: >Frameworks are ok but only when you want to do the things that the >framework allows. And at that point, you may be so deep in that it is made difficult to break out. This applies more generally to the approach one takes to one's app. Sometimes, I have had to recode sections of code when my boss changed the rules that I was counting on. >I also find that a set of classes, well written and tested are the >best way to generate an application and they are easily >updateable/modified using either a bae class update or using subclassing. Is this a framework? In a way, I have a framework of my own. [snipped previous] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko

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Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
by Gojko B. 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

Codemine Gojko B.

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Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
by Gojko B. 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

Codemine Gojko B. At 15:29 4.11.2016, you wrote: >I've been an advocate for frameworks since I read the original >Codebook book, sitting in a parking lot in Cambridge (our fair city), >Massachusetts. > >Imagine starting an application and not having to worry about how to >get the menu working (Help, About, Copy/Cut/Paste, Print settings) and >getting basic dialogs for things like managing reports, managing state >between multiple non-modal forms, a rational (usually!) set of >strategies for data handling, locking, conflict resolution, primary >key generation, relational integrity, grids on tabbed pageframes, etc. > >I think frameworks are a great tool for fast startups, well-documented >base classes, and handy utilities. Please feel free to disagree. > >In the 90's I was the manager for a group of developers and we worked >as "experts" with clients with pre-existing apps, or designed and >developed apps on our own. As such we got a lot of exposure to most of >the frameworks. Drew Speedie (RIP!) started MaxFrame, now >"Professional" while working as tech editor on Hacker's Guide, and I >was an early and eager beta-tester, also shipping one of the first >client-server MaxFrame apps. We worked with Visual Extend and with >Mere Mortals and others. Sadly, I never got to work with FoxExpress, >although I have the greatest of respect for Mike and Toni's knowledge >and skills. > >So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)? > >__ Built my own > >__ Whatever the client runs > >__ Codebook > >__ COMCodebook > >__ MaxFrame Professional > >__ Visual Express > >__ Visual Extend > >__ Mere Mortals > >__ VFP Foundation Classes > >__ Visual ProMatrix > >__ Mere Mortals > >__ Other (please specify) > >__ All of the Above > >-- >Ted Roche >Ted Roche & Associates, LLC >http://www.tedroche.com > [excessive quoting removed by server]

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Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
by Gene Wirchenko 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

At 07:29 2016-11-04, Ted Roche <tedroche(a)gmail.com> wrote: [snip] >So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)? > >__ Built my own It is this or nothing. My boss has a way of asking for things that break my paradigm. I would rather be trying to rework my code than someone else's. Fortunately, he has not done this for several years now, but when the app was in busy development, there were some interesting times. [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko

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Re: 2 GB memo bloat in DBF used in WebConnection site (was RE: Friday Poll (while dl'ing MS Flash Patch))
by Gene Wirchenko 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

At 14:06 2016-11-03, mbsoftwaresolutions(a)mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: >On 2016-11-03 14:24, Gene Wirchenko wrote: >> I have a routine that packs and reindexes all of the tables. I >>have not needed anything more involved. >> I do see some memo bloat. I have a table that stores >>configuration data. When packed, the .fpt is 1280 bytes. I see from >>the latest sent to me that it is up to 5,205,248 bytes. That is >>bigger than the source code. >Would the PACK do a reindex automatically? According to VFP Help >(also here: >https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/downloads/t2704cs4(v=vs.80).… >): "If the current table has one or more indexes open, PACK >rebuilds the index files." > >So your reindex, Gene, must be the EXPLICIT kind of reindex akin to >Stonefield Database Toolkit or your own explicit INDEX Field TAG >MyOrder commands. Otherwise, if you're just doing REINDEX, sounds >to me like you're doing it twice. In fact, if you're running your >own reindex, you may as well do a DELETE TAG ALL beforehand to avoid >the double-work. >???? I do not use reindex. I decided to check. I found that I do the table pack before I call the table's indexing routine. The indexing routines all had delete tag all, but that is too late. I have added one to just before the pack. I had not caught this since my indexing runs fairly quickly. Thank you. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko [excessive quoting removed by server]

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Re: Friday Poll (while dl'ing MS Flash Patch)
by Gene Wirchenko 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

At 12:06 2016-11-03, Ted Roche <tedroche(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Gene Wirchenko <genew(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > > As possibly the last to answer -- is there a prize? -- let me state > > DBFs. > >Mostly just stirring the pot. There's a wealth of knowledge here. > >DBFs: 13 >MS SQL Server: 8 >1 each for everything else: Azure, Excel, XML, SQLite, PostgreSQL, >JSON, Oracle, My/MariaDB Stirring the pot? Is that like some cannibals believe they absorb the abilities of those they eat? (It is only four days after Hallowe'en.) I would be interested in why each person has gone his particular way. For me, we do not need anything else really. It would be a lot of disruption and complication for little or no benefit. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko >-- >Ted Roche >Ted Roche & Associates, LLC >http://www.tedroche.com > [excessive quoting removed by server]

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Stupid form question
by Adam Buckland 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

Final job before I leave this gig after 24 years... This shown how little code I've done in the last x years... I've got a menu that calls a form ivied: DO FORM weekref.scx However when it runs as an executable yes it calls the form but then hands control straight back to the menu so you can't actually do anything with the form. What is the stupidly obvious thing I'm not doing please??? TIA Adam.

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