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RE: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
by Gene Wirchenko 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

At 07:40 2016-11-07, Dave Crozier <DaveC(a)Flexipol.co.uk> wrote: >Frameworks are ok but only when you want to do the things that the >framework allows. And at that point, you may be so deep in that it is made difficult to break out. This applies more generally to the approach one takes to one's app. Sometimes, I have had to recode sections of code when my boss changed the rules that I was counting on. >I also find that a set of classes, well written and tested are the >best way to generate an application and they are easily >updateable/modified using either a bae class update or using subclassing. Is this a framework? In a way, I have a framework of my own. [snipped previous] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko

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Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
by Gojko B. 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

Codemine Gojko B.

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Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
by Gojko B. 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

Codemine Gojko B. At 15:29 4.11.2016, you wrote: >I've been an advocate for frameworks since I read the original >Codebook book, sitting in a parking lot in Cambridge (our fair city), >Massachusetts. > >Imagine starting an application and not having to worry about how to >get the menu working (Help, About, Copy/Cut/Paste, Print settings) and >getting basic dialogs for things like managing reports, managing state >between multiple non-modal forms, a rational (usually!) set of >strategies for data handling, locking, conflict resolution, primary >key generation, relational integrity, grids on tabbed pageframes, etc. > >I think frameworks are a great tool for fast startups, well-documented >base classes, and handy utilities. Please feel free to disagree. > >In the 90's I was the manager for a group of developers and we worked >as "experts" with clients with pre-existing apps, or designed and >developed apps on our own. As such we got a lot of exposure to most of >the frameworks. Drew Speedie (RIP!) started MaxFrame, now >"Professional" while working as tech editor on Hacker's Guide, and I >was an early and eager beta-tester, also shipping one of the first >client-server MaxFrame apps. We worked with Visual Extend and with >Mere Mortals and others. Sadly, I never got to work with FoxExpress, >although I have the greatest of respect for Mike and Toni's knowledge >and skills. > >So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)? > >__ Built my own > >__ Whatever the client runs > >__ Codebook > >__ COMCodebook > >__ MaxFrame Professional > >__ Visual Express > >__ Visual Extend > >__ Mere Mortals > >__ VFP Foundation Classes > >__ Visual ProMatrix > >__ Mere Mortals > >__ Other (please specify) > >__ All of the Above > >-- >Ted Roche >Ted Roche & Associates, LLC >http://www.tedroche.com > [excessive quoting removed by server]

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Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
by Gene Wirchenko 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

At 07:29 2016-11-04, Ted Roche <tedroche(a)gmail.com> wrote: [snip] >So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)? > >__ Built my own It is this or nothing. My boss has a way of asking for things that break my paradigm. I would rather be trying to rework my code than someone else's. Fortunately, he has not done this for several years now, but when the app was in busy development, there were some interesting times. [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko

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Re: 2 GB memo bloat in DBF used in WebConnection site (was RE: Friday Poll (while dl'ing MS Flash Patch))
by Gene Wirchenko 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

At 14:06 2016-11-03, mbsoftwaresolutions(a)mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: >On 2016-11-03 14:24, Gene Wirchenko wrote: >> I have a routine that packs and reindexes all of the tables. I >>have not needed anything more involved. >> I do see some memo bloat. I have a table that stores >>configuration data. When packed, the .fpt is 1280 bytes. I see from >>the latest sent to me that it is up to 5,205,248 bytes. That is >>bigger than the source code. >Would the PACK do a reindex automatically? According to VFP Help >(also here: >https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/downloads/t2704cs4(v=vs.80).… >): "If the current table has one or more indexes open, PACK >rebuilds the index files." > >So your reindex, Gene, must be the EXPLICIT kind of reindex akin to >Stonefield Database Toolkit or your own explicit INDEX Field TAG >MyOrder commands. Otherwise, if you're just doing REINDEX, sounds >to me like you're doing it twice. In fact, if you're running your >own reindex, you may as well do a DELETE TAG ALL beforehand to avoid >the double-work. >???? I do not use reindex. I decided to check. I found that I do the table pack before I call the table's indexing routine. The indexing routines all had delete tag all, but that is too late. I have added one to just before the pack. I had not caught this since my indexing runs fairly quickly. Thank you. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko [excessive quoting removed by server]

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Re: Friday Poll (while dl'ing MS Flash Patch)
by Gene Wirchenko 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

At 12:06 2016-11-03, Ted Roche <tedroche(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Gene Wirchenko <genew(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > > As possibly the last to answer -- is there a prize? -- let me state > > DBFs. > >Mostly just stirring the pot. There's a wealth of knowledge here. > >DBFs: 13 >MS SQL Server: 8 >1 each for everything else: Azure, Excel, XML, SQLite, PostgreSQL, >JSON, Oracle, My/MariaDB Stirring the pot? Is that like some cannibals believe they absorb the abilities of those they eat? (It is only four days after Hallowe'en.) I would be interested in why each person has gone his particular way. For me, we do not need anything else really. It would be a lot of disruption and complication for little or no benefit. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko >-- >Ted Roche >Ted Roche & Associates, LLC >http://www.tedroche.com > [excessive quoting removed by server]

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Stupid form question
by Adam Buckland 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

Final job before I leave this gig after 24 years... This shown how little code I've done in the last x years... I've got a menu that calls a form ivied: DO FORM weekref.scx However when it runs as an executable yes it calls the form but then hands control straight back to the menu so you can't actually do anything with the form. What is the stupidly obvious thing I'm not doing please??? TIA Adam.

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[NF] Chromebook update
by Michael Madigan 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

Just a heads-up for Chromebook users, mine was freezing quite a bit, but after I upgraded it to the latest version, it has been much more stable. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ---

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ProFox List Statistics for October 2016
by List Administrator Account 04 Nov '16

04 Nov '16

================================================== ProFox List Statistics October 2016 ================================================== Subscriber Count at End of Month: ProFox: 286 ProFoxTech: 186 ================================================== Total Posts: 187 (Down 26.09% from September 2016) Total [OT] Posts: 0 (Unchanged from September 2016) Total [NF] Posts: 53 (Up 23.26% from September 2016) Daily Message Counts for October 2016 ------------------------------------------------ DOW Date Count --- ---- ----- S 1 - 5 S 2 - 2 M 3 - 4 T 4 - 1 W 5 - 7 T 6 - 5 F 7 - 1 T 11 - 11 W 12 - 5 T 13 - 3 F 14 - 5 S 15 - 1 M 17 - 8 T 18 - 24 W 19 - 10 T 20 - 21 F 21 - 26 S 22 - 2 S 23 - 4 M 24 - 6 W 26 - 3 F 28 - 29 S 29 - 4 Message Counts By Day of Week for October 2016 ------------------------------------------------ DOW Count --- ----- Sun - 6 Mon - 18 Tue - 36 Wed - 25 Thu - 29 Fri - 61 Sat - 12 Distinct Posters to the List (changes relative to September 2016) ------------------------------------------------ Non-OT messages: 45 (Down 4.26%) OT messages: 0 (Unchanged) NF messages: 18 (Down 10.0%) Total number: 45 (Down 4.26%) Top 20 Contributors by Number of Non-OT Posts ------------------------------------------------ | Posts Contributor | ------------------------------------------------ 1. 19 mbsoftwaresolutions(a)mbsoftwaresolutions.com 2. 16 Ted Roche 3. 15 Man-wai Chang 4. 15 Dave Crozier 5. 12 Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 6. 10 Alan Bourke 7. 9 Mike Copeland 8. 7 Kurt Wendt 9. 7 Stephen Russell 10. 6 Tracy Pearson 11. 5 Richard Kaye 12. 4 Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. 13. 4 José Enrique Llopis 14. 3 Gene Wirchenko 15. 3 AndyHC 16. 3 Michael Glassman 17. 3 Fernando D. Bozzo 18. 3 Paul Hill 19. 3 Sytze de Boer 20. 2 Darren Top 0 Contributors by Number of OT Posts ------------------------------------------------ | Posts OT% Contributor | ------------------------------------------------ Top 18 Contributors by Number of NF Posts ------------------------------------------------ | Posts Contributor | ------------------------------------------------ 1. 12 Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 2. 5 Mike Copeland 3. 4 Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. 4. 4 Ted Roche 5. 4 Alan Bourke 6. 3 Man-wai Chang 7. 3 AndyHC 8. 3 Kurt Wendt 9. 3 Stephen Russell 10. 2 <vrfx(a)optonline.net> 11. 2 Paul Hill 12. 2 Gene Wirchenko 13. 1 Chris Davis 14. 1 Garrett Fitzgerald 15. 1 Michael Oke, II 16. 1 Ken McGinnis 17. 1 Dave Crozier 18. 1 Kevin J Cully Top 20 Contributors by Total Number of Posts ------------------------------------------------ | Posts Contributor | ------------------------------------------------ 1. 19 mbsoftwaresolutions(a)mbsoftwaresolutions.com 2. 16 Ted Roche 3. 15 Man-wai Chang 4. 15 Dave Crozier 5. 12 Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 6. 10 Alan Bourke 7. 9 Mike Copeland 8. 7 Kurt Wendt 9. 7 Stephen Russell 10. 6 Tracy Pearson 11. 5 Richard Kaye 12. 4 Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. 13. 4 José Enrique Llopis 14. 3 Gene Wirchenko 15. 3 AndyHC 16. 3 Michael Glassman 17. 3 Fernando D. Bozzo 18. 3 Paul Hill 19. 3 Sytze de Boer 20. 2 Darren Top 18 Contributors by Number of New Threads Started ------------------------------------------------ | Posts Contributor | ------------------------------------------------ 1. 4 mbsoftwaresolutions(a)mbsoftwaresolutions.com 2. 2 Stephen Russell 3. 2 Man-wai Chang 4. 2 Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. 5. 1 List Administrator Account 6. 1 Sytze de Boer 7. 1 Wes Wilson 8. 1 Ken McGinnis 9. 1 Allen Pollard 10. 1 rafael copquin 11. 1 Garrett Fitzgerald 12. 1 Alan Bourke 13. 1 Dave Crozier 14. 1 Ted Roche 15. 1 William Tormey 16. 1 Kurt Wendt 17. 1 Gene Wirchenko 18. 1 Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) Top 20 Non-OT Threads by Total Number of Posts ------------------------------------------------------------------ | Posts Subject | ------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. 27 Speeding up a Powershell script 2. 26 [NF] Save Video from cable TV 3. 21 Friday Poll (while dl'ing MS Flash Patch) 4. 10 Problem with VFP IDE (VFP9SP2, fully patched) 5. 10 Chilkat SFTP component. 6. 9 Excel errors 7. 7 Taking a screenshot of "yourself" 8. 7 Command button to take a photo 9. 6 sweetpotato 10. 6 Sending HTML email from CDO? 11. 5 [NF] A Commodore 64 has helped run an auto shop for 25 years 12. 5 Connection Strings for SQL SERVER 13. 5 [NF] Low Message Volume or Other Problem? 14. 4 Odd menu behavior in Win7Pro/VFP9SP2 all of the sudden 15. 4 [NF] VMWare Player Not Finding Host Printers 16. 4 [NF] Need SyncBackSE alternative 17. 4 SQLite & Thunderbird - (Was - Friday Poll (while dl'ing MS Flash Patch)) 18. 4 [NF] Job hunting humor 19. 4 Best way to determine file size from VFP9SP2 app using Excel automation 20. 4 [ADMIN] Help me raise money for MS Research Top 0 OT Threads by Total Number of Posts ------------------------------------------------------------------ | Posts Subject | ------------------------------------------------------------------ Top 20 Threads by Total Number of Posts ------------------------------------------------------------------ | Posts Subject | ------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. 27 Speeding up a Powershell script 2. 26 [NF] Save Video from cable TV 3. 21 Friday Poll (while dl'ing MS Flash Patch) 4. 10 Problem with VFP IDE (VFP9SP2, fully patched) 5. 10 Chilkat SFTP component. 6. 9 Excel errors 7. 7 Taking a screenshot of "yourself" 8. 7 Command button to take a photo 9. 6 sweetpotato 10. 6 Sending HTML email from CDO? 11. 5 [NF] A Commodore 64 has helped run an auto shop for 25 years 12. 5 Connection Strings for SQL SERVER 13. 5 [NF] Low Message Volume or Other Problem? 14. 4 Odd menu behavior in Win7Pro/VFP9SP2 all of the sudden 15. 4 [NF] VMWare Player Not Finding Host Printers 16. 4 [NF] Need SyncBackSE alternative 17. 4 SQLite & Thunderbird - (Was - Friday Poll (while dl'ing MS Flash Patch)) 18. 4 [NF] Job hunting humor 19. 4 Best way to determine file size from VFP9SP2 app using Excel automation 20. 4 [ADMIN] Help me raise money for MS Research

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Re: Friday Poll (while dl'ing MS Flash Patch)
by Gene Wirchenko 03 Nov '16

03 Nov '16

At 06:00 2016-10-28, Ted Roche <tedroche(a)gmail.com> wrote: >So, where's your data stored today? > >__ DBFs > >__ MS SQL Server > >__ Azure > >__ Postgres > >__ My/MariaDB > >__ Oracle > >__ Excel > >__ Other (please specify) As possibly the last to answer -- is there a prize? -- let me state DBFs. [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko

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